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Who's Your Daddy?
Joined: 03 Dec 2008
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Location: Speckled Cct Springfield Lakes QLD 4300
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Wed Jan 28, 2009 4:59 pm |
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I agree with what Gomer said. He'll move on to someone else in a hurry.
Most of these lads have a mortal fear of law enforcement and check lads seem to be particularly cowardly and skittish in that regard. |
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sir scam alot
Baiting Guru
Joined: 19 Mar 2008
Posts: 5076
Location: Louisiana
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Wed Jan 28, 2009 5:31 pm |
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If you would be so kind as to send me his phone number, I will be more than happy to make him regret his actions. |
_________________ = Rev. JB Johnson. Lome to Parakou "i thought it will just be a day jouney. unknowingly to me that it will last up to one week."
2 = Harrison: Owerri, Nigeria to Cotonou, Benin and Accra, Ghana "i know ive been a sucker for twat "
= (Group safari) Oy3nka Ch1dinma: Lagos to Cotonou: "Thank you so much for the embrassment."
= Group safari - Dan Nkwerre: Port Harcourt to Abeche, Chad
2 = Barr. Mustapha Marlick: Lome, Togo to Abuja Nigeria and Accra, Ghana.
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armysurplus1
Hello I'm New here!
Joined: 27 Jul 2009
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Mon Jul 27, 2009 12:28 pm |
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Updating this Thread:
TWO ARRESTED IN SCAM: Two Dover residents were arrested this weekend for allegedly scamming people and businesses in various states for more than $13,000, police said. Tena Abernathy, 51, and John Moore, 57, both of Mast Circle, face felony charges after Wisconsin police contacted Delaware authorities to report a scam the two had going on Craigslist, said state police spokesman Jeff Whitmarsh. The pair allegedly sent a check for more than the price of a car listed on the Web site, telling the seller the check included a portion he should send back via Money Gram, Whitmarsh said. After sending the money, the seller found out the check was counterfeit and no one picked up the car. Police said victims were found in Wisconsin, Florida, Tennessee and Kentucky. Both suspects are charged with eight counts of felony theft by false pretenses, two counts of misdemeanor theft by false pretenses and two counts of unlawful use of a credit card, and were released after posting $20,000 bond. Police are asking anyone with information to call Troop 3 Financial Crimes Unit at 697-4454. |
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thud419
Baiting Guru
Joined: 04 Jan 2006
Posts: 3193
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Mon Jul 27, 2009 1:06 pm |
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http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20090727/NEWS05/907270324
My guess is that they are innocent mules. Tena was receiving the funds and sending them on to the scammer. The real scammer is safe and well in Nigeria (according to the OP). These are victims just as much as the people who sent money to them. Instead of losing money, they get a criminal record for fraud. John's only crime seems to be the misfortune to live with a fraud victim. |
_________________ Click here to feel warm and cozy.
I did not f**k your wife in any way -- Nike Akanbi
I don't know what else to do or do I continue filling and filling forms. -- Barr. Koloti
you has been dribbling me up and down but I will show some thing you have never seen before, I think you breath air wait and see. -- Barr. Cole
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NickTheCop
Elite Baiter
Joined: 05 Sep 2008
Posts: 2002
Location: The City Where Dreams Go To Die
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Mon Jul 27, 2009 1:49 pm |
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^^ How do you figure that? I did some snooping and everything points to them setting up this operation for their own benefit. I really don't see any of the typical mule tells.
EDIT: http://www.wboc.com/Global/story.asp?S=10794671 |
_________________ Dougie Mac - 16 000km/10 000mi - Malaysia to Cairo, Egypt
Nodo - Lagos to Cotonou - with P.P3t3rs
Lagos to Abuja to Maiduguri - 3050km/1900mi
Broda Michael - 1500km/900mi - Lome to Lagos
-I LOST EVERYTHING THAT NIGHT JUST BECAUSE OF YOU.
BJ - Lome to Abidjan to Yamoussoukro
Lome to Lagos - 2275km/1400mi
Misc :
Total : 17 000 Mugu Miles (27 000km)
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"MAY YOUR BLOOD BE SHARED AMONG DOGS AND WOOIS.
YOU FACKING SON OF THE DIVEL YOU ARE MORE STUPID." - Broda Michael
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thud419
Baiting Guru
Joined: 04 Jan 2006
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Mon Jul 27, 2009 5:17 pm |
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huckleberry wrote: |
I checked the header and the email originated from nigeria |
With mules there are levels of innocence and guilt, but I don't see any evidence that these two are guilty of anything more than falling for a scam. The credit card fraud would be part of that. The scammer gets the stuff delivered to their house and they ship it on to Nigeria. See the "To Catch an ID Thief" documentary (This episode shows the mule), which investigated an identical set-up.
When the police come calling it looks cut and dried - the Moneygram transfers lead to them and the credit cards lead to them. |
_________________ Click here to feel warm and cozy.
I did not f**k your wife in any way -- Nike Akanbi
I don't know what else to do or do I continue filling and filling forms. -- Barr. Koloti
you has been dribbling me up and down but I will show some thing you have never seen before, I think you breath air wait and see. -- Barr. Cole
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NickTheCop
Elite Baiter
Joined: 05 Sep 2008
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Location: The City Where Dreams Go To Die
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Mon Jul 27, 2009 6:31 pm |
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The MoneyGram part of it I get. What passes off as unmulish is this:
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As the investigation continued and more cases were linked together, detectives say they learned that in April and May, 51-year-old Tena Abernathy, and her accomplice, 57-year-old John T. Moore, both of Dover, had compromised multiple credit cards and began to make various online purchases primarily for office equipment. |
I realize that we don't have the whole story and we certainly don't have their side of the story, but that part doesn't seem to benefit a Nigerian 419er too much. |
_________________ Dougie Mac - 16 000km/10 000mi - Malaysia to Cairo, Egypt
Nodo - Lagos to Cotonou - with P.P3t3rs
Lagos to Abuja to Maiduguri - 3050km/1900mi
Broda Michael - 1500km/900mi - Lome to Lagos
-I LOST EVERYTHING THAT NIGHT JUST BECAUSE OF YOU.
BJ - Lome to Abidjan to Yamoussoukro
Lome to Lagos - 2275km/1400mi
Misc :
Total : 17 000 Mugu Miles (27 000km)
x7 x2 x8
"MAY YOUR BLOOD BE SHARED AMONG DOGS AND WOOIS.
YOU FACKING SON OF THE DIVEL YOU ARE MORE STUPID." - Broda Michael
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Titania
Hell on wheels
Joined: 06 Jun 2008
Posts: 2442
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Mon Jul 27, 2009 6:36 pm |
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If the equipment was printers, check paper, and that special ink for printing checks, it would make sense. The scammer possibly gave them the details of a compromised credit card so they could purchase what they need to print the checks. They could also be purchasing and re-shipping to other victims/mules.
We dont, of course, know the whole story, and it's possible that they've branched out on their own once they saw how "easy" it was, but I still think they at least initially were victims. |
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NickTheCop
Elite Baiter
Joined: 05 Sep 2008
Posts: 2002
Location: The City Where Dreams Go To Die
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Mon Jul 27, 2009 6:54 pm |
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^^ If it really goes that deep, then these "mules" are just as responsible as the scammers (or almost, at least).
You can't possibly tell me that they were doing all of this stuff and had no idea that it was criminal. |
_________________ Dougie Mac - 16 000km/10 000mi - Malaysia to Cairo, Egypt
Nodo - Lagos to Cotonou - with P.P3t3rs
Lagos to Abuja to Maiduguri - 3050km/1900mi
Broda Michael - 1500km/900mi - Lome to Lagos
-I LOST EVERYTHING THAT NIGHT JUST BECAUSE OF YOU.
BJ - Lome to Abidjan to Yamoussoukro
Lome to Lagos - 2275km/1400mi
Misc :
Total : 17 000 Mugu Miles (27 000km)
x7 x2 x8
"MAY YOUR BLOOD BE SHARED AMONG DOGS AND WOOIS.
YOU FACKING SON OF THE DIVEL YOU ARE MORE STUPID." - Broda Michael
Mr Bigg's is dead! Long live Mr Bigg's! |
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thud419
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Joined: 04 Jan 2006
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Mon Jul 27, 2009 8:01 pm |
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Yes I can. Watch the video.
The mule is a long-term victim, usually of the romance variety.
Their lover/lad says he (or she) is operating a business that requires shipment of parcels.
The lad buys the goods with stolen cards for delivery to the mule. The only address on record is the mule's. So far as the shop or the police can see, the mule has ordered the goods. In fact the first time the mule knows about the package is when it turns up on their doorstep.
The mule ships the goods to their lover in Africa. So far as they are concerned, everything is perfectly legal. They are just helping their lover get around a difficulty in shipping the packages direct.
Similarly, the lads get check victims to WU the money to the mule, and the mule sends it on to their lover. Or maybe the lad gets the mule to send money for the standard hospital/hotel/visa fees, and then pays back the mule using a check victim. That way the mule trusts that any money they send is eventually repaid. Or maybe the WU pays the shipping charges for the packages.
Some mules do know that they are breaking the law. Some of them are into printing checks and so forth. Even then many check printers think they are printing valid checks. But I see no evidence that this pair was even doing that. So far as I can see, the police followed the delivery addresses to their door and nailed them for the entire scam. I really hope that they look deeper. |
_________________ Click here to feel warm and cozy.
I did not f**k your wife in any way -- Nike Akanbi
I don't know what else to do or do I continue filling and filling forms. -- Barr. Koloti
you has been dribbling me up and down but I will show some thing you have never seen before, I think you breath air wait and see. -- Barr. Cole
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NickTheCop
Elite Baiter
Joined: 05 Sep 2008
Posts: 2002
Location: The City Where Dreams Go To Die
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Mon Jul 27, 2009 9:05 pm |
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That is interesting. In all fairness, I'll admit I've not watched the video yet but shall do so at my next available interval.
As for the mules that know they are breaking the law (regardless of whether that is the case with these two), I don't believe they deserve a slap on the wrist. If you know that you are committing a crime but are doing it anyway, then to hell with you. Simply put: actus reus + mens rea = no excuse and no mercy. But I do believe I've begun treading the fine line between 419 discussion and politics, so I'll kick it down a notch. |
_________________ Dougie Mac - 16 000km/10 000mi - Malaysia to Cairo, Egypt
Nodo - Lagos to Cotonou - with P.P3t3rs
Lagos to Abuja to Maiduguri - 3050km/1900mi
Broda Michael - 1500km/900mi - Lome to Lagos
-I LOST EVERYTHING THAT NIGHT JUST BECAUSE OF YOU.
BJ - Lome to Abidjan to Yamoussoukro
Lome to Lagos - 2275km/1400mi
Misc :
Total : 17 000 Mugu Miles (27 000km)
x7 x2 x8
"MAY YOUR BLOOD BE SHARED AMONG DOGS AND WOOIS.
YOU FACKING SON OF THE DIVEL YOU ARE MORE STUPID." - Broda Michael
Mr Bigg's is dead! Long live Mr Bigg's! |
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foxhat
Not quite a Newb
Joined: 14 May 2008
Posts: 56
Location: Dark side of the moon
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Tue Jul 28, 2009 12:18 pm |
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Both suspects were released on a $20,000 unsecured bond.
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lotta
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Joined: 08 Jun 2005
Posts: 13613
Location: 2 Speckled Cct Springfield Lakes QLD 4300
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Thu Jul 30, 2009 12:35 am |
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Spot on, thud.
thud419 wrote: |
Yes I can. Watch the video.
The mule is a long-term victim, usually of the romance variety.
Their lover/lad says he (or she) is operating a business that requires shipment of parcels.
The lad buys the goods with stolen cards for delivery to the mule. The only address on record is the mule's. So far as the shop or the police can see, the mule has ordered the goods. In fact the first time the mule knows about the package is when it turns up on their doorstep.
The mule ships the goods to their lover in Africa. So far as they are concerned, everything is perfectly legal. They are just helping their lover get around a difficulty in shipping the packages direct.
Similarly, the lads get check victims to WU the money to the mule, and the mule sends it on to their lover. Or maybe the lad gets the mule to send money for the standard hospital/hotel/visa fees, and then pays back the mule using a check victim. That way the mule trusts that any money they send is eventually repaid. Or maybe the WU pays the shipping charges for the packages.
Some mules do know that they are breaking the law. Some of them are into printing checks and so forth. Even then many check printers think they are printing valid checks. But I see no evidence that this pair was even doing that. So far as I can see, the police followed the delivery addresses to their door and nailed them for the entire scam. I really hope that they look deeper. |
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armysurplus1
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Thu Jul 30, 2009 3:26 pm |
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There was a woman and a man arrested at that address for the scams. From the arrest photos, obviously neither are Nigerian. If it is a love scam, which one is the lover/mule? I would guess the female, so how is the male involved? I think they were both complicit in the scams and knew what was going on, even if they were mules. |
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