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smartbomb
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Joined: 14 May 2007
Posts: 750
Location: Air
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Sat May 30, 2009 12:22 pm |
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Your gonna have to forgive me for my direct attitude Stander, but I read your posts and cant believe your stupidity.
Baiting with RL details is asking for trouble, end of. Best case scenario, your real details are dished out all over criminal communities to be abused by anyone willing to devote a little time to researching you. Very worst case, you get knocked off. You think the only place you could be found is tucked nicely behind your office desk ? WAKE UP.
Some nice guy walks in and asks for you personally, talks a little bit of business, shakes your hand, leaves, and you never see him again. From there, they get a face to go with the name, followed to your home address, and then you get family involved.
You think they are all stuck in sweaty net cafe's in Lagos ? - read Shiver's bait 'Bonnie Scotland' in letters page. They are all over the world, and can travel at short notice.
Dont get me wrong, I dont even begin to presume you will ever be that important to warrant such devoted attention, but ask yourself, is it possible .... ?
To continue to argue about the benefits of using RL details in the face of such clever and experienced baiters shows your disregard for others and their concern for your safety, and thats what I dont like.
And also, you say you dont get much joy using webmail addy's. Then could you tell me how the rest of us have managed for all these years ???
Piss the wrong person off and you have everything to lose.
Wake up man will you. |
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B8er
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Joined: 16 Feb 2009
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Location: In self-isolation practicing social distancing
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Sat May 30, 2009 12:46 pm |
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^^^^ and if you don't care about yourself, what about your wife, your children, your mother, your father etc. |
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Stander
Master Baiter
Joined: 29 May 2009
Posts: 106
Location: no name, no country, no faith
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Sat May 30, 2009 12:57 pm |
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Well, that was just an thought, I never used before real data in any baits and probably will never use, I was just wondering what can happened.
I tried to imagine how the hell a scammer can go to my country and how the hell he will find an address, when he does not know our language, there are no embassies there and so on... |
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Branwen
Baiting Guru
Joined: 18 Oct 2008
Posts: 4771
Location: Down on the (Playmobil) farm
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Sat May 30, 2009 4:19 pm |
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Lads have siblings, cousins, and friends. Their friends have siblings, cousins and friends. Not all Lads are African. They are also of all other nationalities, and that probably includes your own, and of all the neighbouring countries. They also have siblings and cousins and friends.
This has been brought home to me in a recent bait. My character lives a rural location, with no one descending from her Lad's nationality within many hours' travel. She hasn't even told him where she lives, though she has mentioned a couple of local features - which would be identifiable to anyone who knew the area, but unlikely to be identifiable to anyone in any other country.
Her nearest Western Union is a journey away. Lad has just written:
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I understand your difficulty in getting to western union. But I have a friend who lives in [a named small town 20 minutes from my character's location] and he will come and get the money. |
If that character was really me, I'd be going rather cold by now.
It could be a lie, but it also might not be. And so, if I wasn't handing over money, I would be suddenly afraid of 'accidental' fires on my premises, or a mysterious death to my cat, or somebody frightening my child. I would also be afraid of far worse. Many a person does not have the social restraints that I have: I know that, I read the News.
Other Lads I have baited might just give me up as a non-paying victim. I'm not sure this one would. I've done nothing clever with him, no photos, no safaris, nothing worth reporting. Just a few fruitless trips to the bank. And many long mails. Too many long mails for him, perhaps, to think his internet café money well-spent. He is getting rather hissing and spluttering at me. It may be frustration, or it may be barely-surpressed anger. His friend/sibling/cousin who knows my character's area may be equally angry on his behalf, and may have personal self-control issues on top.
I am glad that I actually live hundreds of miles from where he thinks, and with a totally different name and address and background. |
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Old No. 7
Master of Master Baiters
Joined: 31 Jul 2007
Posts: 777
Location: Somewhere Else
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Sat May 30, 2009 6:11 pm |
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@ stander
Good advice in this thread, particularly SmartBomb and Branwen (although I wish SmartBomb wouldn't beat about the bush and would just come straight out and say what he means )
You say you're from Eastern Europe - you have no idea how many of the fake sites I've closed are from Eastern Europe (check the flags) and how this is one of the main areas for fake escrow fraud. You never know who knows who, or has links with whom.
If you check out any of the threads where a baiter gets his lad or associates on a webcam for our delectation and amusement, you'll see that they have contacts in areas you'd never guess. And on some of the safari baits where the lads travel you often read that they've made contacts in their new locale.
In answer to your question of what percentage of RL details to use - 0%.
Ask yourself - how much of a slight, outside, even minuscule chance would you take that the lad you bait has a large and psychotic muscular friend, with jail tattoos, a face only a mother could love and a propensity for using extreme violence as the first step in any negotiation (and then things get really nasty) and who happens to be in your area? And that this friend could find your nearest and dearest? That's how much of your real life details you should use.
Never forget - these guys we bait are not jokers - they are criminals. |
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Stander
Master Baiter
Joined: 29 May 2009
Posts: 106
Location: no name, no country, no faith
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Sat May 30, 2009 7:35 pm |
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Well, I agree with you.. But I just do not know know to run an effective bait for "buying"-scammers.
I will use some of advices and will try to figure something.
The fact is that I have good reasons not only to want to fool around with them. I hate them. I have direct loses caused by scams.
During January and February my company's sales department was flooded by so-called buyers, desiring to buy our products.
As I do not monitor all negotiations, my managers got scammed. I now have food&beverage stocks worth 700 thousands euros, products my managers ordered from factories for these "deals", products I cannot get sold. |
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Joaquin
419Eater is my life
Joined: 14 Mar 2005
Posts: 456
Location: Guatemala (GMT-6)
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Sat May 30, 2009 10:40 pm |
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Is it just me or does anyone else also smell troll poop here? |
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may your mouth bend to your back idiot i am helping you and you are talking trash.
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dr stephen williams
Baiting Guru
Joined: 06 Aug 2007
Posts: 16749
Location: Dreadful Hater-ville
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Sun May 31, 2009 12:28 am |
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Corona
Baiting Guru
Joined: 21 Sep 2006
Posts: 8809
Location: On ya left!
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Sun May 31, 2009 2:39 am |
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frank.lester
419Eater is my life
Joined: 08 Aug 2008
Posts: 475
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Sun May 31, 2009 9:40 am |
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hi corona, your little daughter likes to dress up the cat ?
mine loved to put the cat into the dolls pram, with a blanket put over, up till the nose. and many time the cat just did let it happen, without using claws. |
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weareborg
Elite Baiter
Joined: 07 Sep 2008
Posts: 1112
Location: out there in the wide blue yonder
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Sun May 31, 2009 12:49 pm |
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Welcome to Eater donmanolo
The hole thing about baiting is to do it safely. might I suggest you forget this person who has written to you, and simply delete his e-mail. If you think, the leak is from Facebook. It will do you no harm to delete everything on there and ether remove your registration, Go into "profile " and delete all your info.
Then start again with a new name and details. Just remember, On the net you can be who-ever you want to be. But do it safely.
hallo Stander
The wise one, Dora has given you some good advice, I suggest you follow it, and you won't go far wrong.
As for using your real name, even my IP doesn't have my personnel details, They have a Visa debit account for there monthly fees, and a
PO box number as an address. My real name does not exist on any e-mail or IP account
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Well, I have not yet decided, I am just thinking, what % of RL details is allowed in safe baits .. |
No bait is safe, They are as safe as we can make them, But using genuine RL or IP details is asking for trouble or problems further down the track. |
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weareborg
Elite Baiter
Joined: 07 Sep 2008
Posts: 1112
Location: out there in the wide blue yonder
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Sun May 31, 2009 12:56 pm |
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Resistance is futile
assimilation is paramount
Why am I such an evil bastard, Mum said I take after my father
My mum to betray to you huge hi,
You have changed my world and you makes me so Un-happy! Everyone around me can see that!
I wished to eat.... Has opened a refrigerator... But, in it it is empty.... Now I am compelled to go to shop...
To my girlfriend 30 years yesterday were executed, and was very cheerful.sounds like a dead party
Honey I understand all our complexities in our meeting! We should overcome them!!! Please,
do not look back, only forward!!! We together will pass fire, water and copper pipes SHIT not the copper pipes |
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