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scampy
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Joined: 13 May 2009
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Location: somewhere inbetween here and there
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Sun May 17, 2009 9:37 pm |
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Hi,
Just purely out of curiosity do you keep a list/map of the physical locations of the lads. i keep seeing the same areas come up in email on my catcher account. i was thinking along the lines of Google earth you could use placemarks for everyone to see. this is just a thought. i did search on here first but found nothing about this so i am sorry if i missed a previous post about this |
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manbiteslion
Baiting Guru
Joined: 12 Dec 2007
Posts: 4816
Location: Connecting my chair and keyboard
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Sun May 17, 2009 10:37 pm |
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To my knowledge, nobody has done this on any major scale - so if you want to give it a go and see if anyone wants to join in, feel free! My guesstimate is 50% Lagos, 25% rest of Nigeria, 15% other West Africa, 8% Vlads, 2% elsewhere - based on nothing more detailed than what I've had in my own box...it'd be good to collect some firmer figures and see how close my guestimates are  |
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Branwen
Baiting Guru
Joined: 18 Oct 2008
Posts: 4771
Location: Down on the (Playmobil) farm
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Sun May 17, 2009 11:29 pm |
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In the past 7 months, I've responded to 136 individual Scammers. Of these, 13 were of an unknown location. Of the remaining 123, they were from (percentages rounded to whole numbers):
Senegal 32%
Nigeria 28%
Côte d'Ivoire 10%
Ghana 8%
Togo 6%
Benin 3%
Guinea-Bissau 2%
South Africa 2%
Spain 2%
And these at less than 1% (ie 1 Lad only from each of these locations):
Gabon
Guyana
China
Malaysia
India
Monaco
Russia
Netherlands
UK
All the above taken from non-proxy IP addresses, IP usually the or a major city. |
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HarvestMoon
Elite Baiter
Joined: 02 Sep 2008
Posts: 1006
Location: a sorta fairy tale
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Sun May 17, 2009 11:47 pm |
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Interesting how Branwen's experience shows the most from Senegal. I wonder if that is because you generally respond to a certain kind of lad/scam.
I think it would be interesting to see a compilation of where the scams originate from and if there are more of certain kinds of scams coming out of certain countries. OK...I admit it, I am a bit of a geek when it comes to statistics.  |
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limburger
Master of Master Baiters
Joined: 21 Nov 2008
Posts: 619
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Mon May 18, 2009 12:22 am |
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I think you have a point Harvestmoon, I was noticing a while back that a vast majority of my lads have been from Cote dIvore, with only a couple exceptions I can think of-- never Nigeria that I can recall. |
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Les Noise
Elite Baiter
Joined: 06 Mar 2006
Posts: 1098
Location: Behind the fridge
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Mon May 18, 2009 12:30 am |
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"and if there are more of certain kinds of scams coming out of certain countries."
That would be an interesting stat..
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bill mcdill
Master of Master Baiters
Joined: 03 Feb 2008
Posts: 966
Location: Sleeping in Charles Saludo's wet spot
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Mon May 18, 2009 1:28 am |
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I can assure you that most of the really slick scam websites are from Eastern Europe. Mostly money laundering. |
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Branwen
Baiting Guru
Joined: 18 Oct 2008
Posts: 4771
Location: Down on the (Playmobil) farm
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Mon May 18, 2009 7:06 am |
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Here is my list of what sort of scam came from where:
Senegal
Conference Scam
Employment Scam
Love Scammer
Next-of-Kin X 2
Orphan with Inheritance
Orphan Refugee with Inheritance X 31
Widow with Inheritance X 2
And one undiscovered before discontinuing, possibly going to be Stranded without money
Nigeria
Charity Scam
Compensation for Scam
Dying Reverend
Dying Widow X 3
Grant Scam X 2
Lottery Scam
Love Scammer X 18
Next-of-Kin X 7
Unclaimed money in Bank
Cote d'Ivoire
Dying Widow X 5
Love Scammer
Orphan with Inheritance X 4
Orphan Refugee with Inheritance X 2
Ghana
Charity Scam
Healing Scam
Love Scammer X 3
Next-of-Kin
Non-orphaned Refugee with Inheritance
Orphan Refugee with Inheritance
Stranded in need of money
Suffering Orphan Refugee (no inheritance)
Togo
Love Scammer X 3
Money Transfer (stolen money)
Next-of-Kin
Non-orphaned Refugee with Inheritance
Orphan Refugee with Inheritance
Benin
Compensation for Scam
Consignment with Couriers
Love Scammer
Suffering Orphan Refugee
Guinea-Bissau
Conference Scam
Job Vacancy Scam
South Africa
Love Scammer
Next-of-Kin
Spain
Dying Widow
Lottery Scam
Gabon: Stranded in need of money
Guyana: Love Scammer
China: Love Scammer
Malaysia: Next-of-Kin
India: Love Scammer
Monaco: Dying Widow
Russia: Presumed Love Scammer
Netherlands: Employment Scam
UK: Consignment with Couriers
Unknown Source
Charity Scam
Consignment with Couriers
Grant Scam X 2
Love Scammer X 6
Next-of-Kin X 2
Orphan with Inheritance
These are the ones I have responded to, so, yes, they do reflect my choices and preferences as well as country of origin. |
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r2d2
Master of Master Baiters
Joined: 19 Apr 2009
Posts: 796
Location: in a galaxy far far away
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Mon May 18, 2009 7:44 am |
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| Interesting how Branwen's experience shows the most from Senegal. I wonder if that is because you generally respond to a certain kind of lad/scam. |
if you reply to one scammer, you will get more emails from other lads.
and they will be scammers who know the first scammer.
so maybe that is another factor for the bias towards senegal. |
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manbiteslion
Baiting Guru
Joined: 12 Dec 2007
Posts: 4816
Location: Connecting my chair and keyboard
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Mon May 18, 2009 8:30 am |
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R2 is right, there will be some biases for all of us, not just from natural statistical variation, but also from where we seeded when and how, it would be fascinating to see the aggregations over bigger numbers. Maybe from surplus too? |
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Branwen
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Joined: 18 Oct 2008
Posts: 4771
Location: Down on the (Playmobil) farm
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Mon May 18, 2009 9:03 am |
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Good idea about Surplus. I'll do it, I love listmaking, and I've got all day more-or-less free, with only one character to write to Lads, as the others are either at work or conveniently out for the day (due to their Lads expecting to pick up the non-existant bank transfers - they can wail all day at the unattended mailboxes). I imagine it will take many hours, what with checking the mails in order to categorize them, and checking the IP addresses when the country of origin hasn't already been given. But I'll enjoy it. Statistics later! |
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It is your first time to use western union so therefore none can blame you. It is always like this at the first experience. - Yes lad, and at the second, and the third... you'll see.
I don't want to guess the number - But, lad, isn't that the best fun to be had with MoneyGram reference numbers? |
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Slightlyoutofit
Baiting Guru
Joined: 13 Feb 2007
Posts: 14310
Location: Foraging for Nuts.
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Mon May 18, 2009 10:04 am |
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Unfortunately, the figure is always going to be corrupt as there are way too many variables. Branwen's figures for Senegal show this.
Statistically, there are many more lads in Nigeria than there are elsewhere.
The problem is that you won't necessarily be dealing with them as they're not personally sending you the mail or they might not come into play until further down the line.
Take a lad operating in somewhere like the UK or US for example.
What you're going to see is his IP. What you're not going to see is the team that he uses for garnering addresses, supplying accounts, formats, etc. And it also wouldn't take into account those lads who come into play further down the line. In my experience, for every lad in the West, there are dozens working for him out in Nigeria.
You've also got to analyse where the lad is getting your address from. For example, Branwen is getting a lot of Senegal lads. In my experience, Senegal sits firmly behind Nigeria, Ghana and the Ivory Coast for number of lads. So you'd have to look at where Branwen has seeded his address and why Senegal lads seem to be the ones getting hold of it. Possibly this is because it's being shared amongst the Senegal lad community. If this is the case, one could expect the same sort of hit on Nigerian lads, Ghana lads, etc if those other groups were passing his address round and this would mean that you're not really getting a true figure.
Even going to Surplus is not going to give that great an indicator. You've got to take into account the ways that those emails are gathered. AFAIK, most Eater members use the guestbook trick. So you'll probably find that a lot of those lads come from the first dozen or so guestbooks that come up on Google. If we speculate that those Guestbooks are targetted specifically by Ivory Coast lads, we're going to end up with the false figure for Ivory Coast lads being the biggest scamming group.
Like I said: too many variables. Not that you shouldn't try collating the figures, but just don't put too much faith in them. |
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Branwen
Baiting Guru
Joined: 18 Oct 2008
Posts: 4771
Location: Down on the (Playmobil) farm
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Mon May 18, 2009 10:22 am |
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Oh, I agree: interesting, but meaningless.
Or meaninglessly interesting.
I'm entertaining myself with my listing from Surplus anyway! |
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It is your first time to use western union so therefore none can blame you. It is always like this at the first experience. - Yes lad, and at the second, and the third... you'll see.
I don't want to guess the number - But, lad, isn't that the best fun to be had with MoneyGram reference numbers? |
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Branwen
Baiting Guru
Joined: 18 Oct 2008
Posts: 4771
Location: Down on the (Playmobil) farm
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Mon May 18, 2009 6:06 pm |
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Results of Lad Locations in Surplus
After omitting all those in foreign languages, with no IP address, confusing (to me!) headers, Gmail or Microsoft/Hotmail IPs, satellite providers, and suspected or confirmed Proxys, I listed 332 mails.
These were from:
Nigeria - 34%
Benin - 7%
Cote d'Ivoire - 7%
Ghana - 7%
USA - 7%
Burkina Faso - 5%
China - 4%
Uk - 4%
South Africa - 3%
Spain - 3%
And 30 other countries at 2% or less
As for what comes from where, I think the easiest thing to say is you can receive anything from anywhere! Still, here are the figures:
ATM Scam
17 X Nigeria
2 X Benin
1 X Austria
1 X Denmark
1 X USA
Award/Donation/Grant Scam
3 X Nigeria
1 X France
1 X Germany
1 X Ghana
Business Agents/Reps Wanted
2 X Canada
Charity Scam
1 X Cote d'Ivoire
Cheque in Transit
1 X Benin
Cheque Handling Scam
12 X Nigeria
6 X UK
4 X China
2 X USA
1 X Australia
1 X Denmark
1 X Italy
1 X Russia
1 X Spain
1 X Taiwan
Compensation for Past Efforts
2 X Benin
2 X Cote d'Ivoire
2 X Nigeria
1 X Senegal
1 X USA
Compensation for Scam
4 X Nigeria
2 X Benin
2 X UK
1 X Germany
Consignment with Courier
8 X Benin
2 X Nigeria
1 X Ghana
Donation of Veterinary Equipment
1 X Nigeria
Dying Widow/er
4 X Cote d'Ivoire
4 X Nigeria
2 X Burkina Faso
2 X Germany
2 X South Africa
2 X USA
2 X Venezuela
1 X Bangladesh
1 X France
1 X India
1 X UK
Employment Scam (not handling cheques)
1 X China
1 X Republic of Cape Verde
1 X Senegal
Fund Awaiting Confirmation/Verification/Fee
12 X Nigeria
1 X Italy
1 X Malyasia
1 X Ukraine
Gold Dust For Sale
4 X Ghana
Investment Proposal
3 X Nigeria
1 X Benin
1 X Ghana
1 X Italy
1 X Malaysia
1 X South Africa
Loan Offer
3 X Nigeria
1 X China
1 X South Africa
1 X USA
Lottery
8 X Nigeria
4 X Spain
4 X USA
3 X China
2 X Ghana
2 X Netherlands
1 X Australia
1 X Indonesia
1 X Italy
1 X Malyasia
1 X Mexico
1 X Nicaragua
1 X Thailand
Lottery Rigging
1 X USA
WU/MG Pick-up Scam
3 X Nigeria
2 X Benin
1 X Ireland
1 X UK
MTCNs For Sale
1 X Ghana
Next-of-Kin
16 X Nigeria
10 X Burkina Faso
4 X Benin
4 X Ghana
3 X Cote d'Ivoire
3 X USA
2 X South Africa
1 X Belgium
1 X Cambodia
1 X China
1 X Germany
1 X Guadeloupe
1 X Malyasia
1 X Phillipines
1 X Russia
1 X Senegal
1 X Spain
1 X UK
Orphan with Inheritance
10 X Cote d'Ivoire
2 X Ghana
2 X Senegal
1 X Burkina Faso
1 X Italy
1 X Luxembourg
1 X Mexico
1 X USA
1 X Venezuela
Property Search/Mention of Paid Funds
1 X Spain
Puppy Scam
1 X China
Recovery Scam
8 X Nigeria
1 X China
Requesting Help with Money Transfer from Bank
9 X Nigeria
6 X Ghana
3 X USA
2 X Benin
2 X Burkina Faso
2 X South Africa
1 X Burkina Faso
1 X China
1 X Cote d'Ivoire
1 X Hungary
1 X India
1 X Indonesia
1 X Spain
1 X UK
Requesting Help with Money Transfer by Military Man
3 X Nigeria
2 X Thailand
1 X Spain
1 X USA
Someone is After Your Money
2 X Nigeria
1 X Australia
Supplier Opportunity
1 X USA
Tax Relief for Americans
1 X Netherlands
Unspecified Business Proposal
2 X USA
1 X Ireland
1 X Netherlands
1 X Nigeria
1 X Uganda
1 X UK
Visa Scam
1 X Taiwan
Widow (not dying) with Inheritance
2 X Cote d'Ivoire
1 X Czech Republic
1 X Burkina Faso
1 X Ghana
1 X Nigeria
I think I deserve a beer now! |
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It is your first time to use western union so therefore none can blame you. It is always like this at the first experience. - Yes lad, and at the second, and the third... you'll see.
I don't want to guess the number - But, lad, isn't that the best fun to be had with MoneyGram reference numbers? |
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N.O.R.A
Baiting Guru
Joined: 17 Feb 2008
Posts: 2358
Location: Enjoying all the love from Africa.
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Mon May 18, 2009 7:26 pm |
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Nice work, Branwen! 
Have another beer on me.  |
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scam-dum-doo
Master Baiter
Joined: 15 May 2009
Posts: 184
Location: Wherever Prince Agas needs me
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Mon May 18, 2009 8:43 pm |
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Wow, thanks for the statistics, Branwen. I'm sure that took a while. |
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scampy
Hello I'm New here!
Joined: 13 May 2009
Posts: 18
Location: somewhere inbetween here and there
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Tue May 19, 2009 7:32 pm |
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very intresting thanks everyone thats given me some idea now |
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