Apalled at the behavior of baiters on This American Life

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Posted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 1:57 am

Welcome here pained heart

I've been in Africa and seen the circumstances they have to live in without any hope of improvement, but does that imply that they can become criminals and are allowed to do what they want?

I can understand the way of thinking, but as said, they're everywhere and it is not only a Nigeria problem, it could be that the economic problems there cause the higher percentage of scam letters that we receive from there. I have no clue about that.

Now if we did nothing at all, would there be an advantage for the situation of those people in need? I don't think so.
Would there be an advantage for the people that get scammed? Ditto.

As the government isn't doing anything about it, there is no data available on this kind of crime. (if you are willing to call it a crime, if you say it's begging then why do they take so many precautions to accept the money anonymously and as safe as possible for them? And keep begging even after they have secured an above normal living standard?)

For now, with no research data it can't be that bad, so nothing is done.

At least we collect the data we can find and have it available for victims that get suspicious and want to know for sure.

Our sister site http://www.scamwarners.com/ even does more with helping those victims to take the right steps to prevent further loss and if they can get the info (often a result of baiting) warning existing victims that they are being scammed by email and over the telephone. All volunteers that put many hours in preventing crime and helping victims who would have no place to go if they didn't do it.

Of course, you think, but those victims are suckers, I have never been scammed, I never fall for that.
Okay, you're really smart, but did you know that most victims aren't living on the bottom of the society, have an above average income, a University degree and were thinking the same thing.
That billion dollar investment scam that just blew up in the UK is a nice example, not your average email scam, but all the right ingredients.
All financial experts taken for a expensive ride.

Anyone can be scammed even the members here aren't free of it and many have been scammed, all it takes is to find the right angle and you're lost.

Posted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 2:26 am

pained heart wrote:

I don't know what good it will do, but I was apalled at the behavior of baiters chronicled on This American Life.

I'm appalled too, not a single update on that thread in weeks.

pained heart wrote:

Having been lucky enough to do a fair bit of travelling, I have seen how poverty and famine can alter ones sense of ethics. From the radio broadcast, I got the feeling that you all are ignorant of the socioeconomic conditions in the world.

What do socioeconomic conditions have to do with the price of trunk-boxes in Lagos?

pained heart wrote:

Sending people to a part of the world where they can get killed is shameful, even if their greed mitigates your sense of guilt.

What part of the world is immune to death? (I'll bet the rent there is expensive.)

pained heart wrote:

Blah blah blah...Having scammers killed in Chad should not be in any ethical human's toolbox.

Can you give a detailed description of said toolbox? "Ethics" is a rather broad brush, philosophically speaking. I personally apply whichever philosophy I feel best suited for each individual situation. Results may vary. But thanks for telling everyone how you think we should feel. Very Happy

Posted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 2:34 am

Hmm. Another satisfied customer.

Baiting Guru Joined: 08 Jul 2004 Posts: 11857 Location: UK

^^^ See all the trouble you cause, you really are a TWAT Laughing

Posted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 2:49 am

I'm so happy to hear that your "fair bit of traveling" has enabled you to tell the difference between internet criminal and destitute. If I lose my job in this economy I'll be sure to start check scamming as only those ignorant of my new socioeconomic condition will complain. Rolling Eyes

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Great Avatar, OD! Very Happy

Posted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 2:58 am

No-one died. Plus lads exaggerate.

Danger to him was probably a disgruntled goat and several children with water bombs.

You'll also be happy to know that not everyone here is identical. Surprisingly we're all different people with different opinions and ethics. You're not the first and won't be the last... Thanks for popping by.

Trophy Videos · Posted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 2:59 am

Let's all have a show of hands...does anyone have the slightest amount of guilt for baiting these criminals, who most likely will never, ever, see the inside of a jailcell, do only what they freely decide to do (we have no guns to their heads,) and never give a victim an even break? Who lie, cheat, steal, murder, kidnap, drive their victims to suicide, financial ruin, and break every single ETHICAL and religious standard in every book written since the dawn of man?? Anyone..?? If so, you better go run along.

I've had three hits of my characters in two years ordered on me by my friendly neighbors, the lads. No mercy for the lads from me, sorry. Evil or Very Mad

Is the bleeding heart ladhugger gone, yet? Oh, she's still reading...ok, I'll wait. Smile

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Illegitimi non carborundum painted heart.

Head on over to the Valentines Day thread to cool your heels. Click Wink

Posted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 3:27 am

I feel guilty....

For not baiting more of them into "hash conditions".

Posted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 3:34 am

pained heart who Joined: 05 Feb 2009 Posts: 1 wrote:

I have seen how poverty and famine can alter ones sense of ethics.

So that is a good reason to ruin other people's lives too? Scammers have stolen whole family's savings and left then destitute and some time incarcerated. I am confident the scammer didn't set up a charity to help feed his countrymen and women. They took the money and improved their lot in life and learned how to be a better thief-criminal-scammer.These creeps do not better the world, they bring pain and heartache, pained heart.

ph also wrote:

From the radio broadcast, I got the feeling that you all are ignorant of the socioeconomic conditions in the world.

You are sure painting with a broad brush. We as a whole are much better versed in the global economic conditions than the average world traveler. The best baits are well researched, unlike your accusatons.

pained wrote:

Sending people to a part of the world where they can get killed is shameful, even if their greed mitigates your sense of guilt.

Guilt is for doing something wrong. We make certain that the people we bait are actually scammers. It is not innocent people that are baited. We are discriminating, which the scammer-criminals are not discriminating. They love to prey on the weak, desperate and ignorant. They have no shame for what they do, they have no guilt for what they do, and they are the ones that should have guilt.

pollyanna heart wrote:

If you want to stop these scam emails either (1) ignore them, or (2) encourage an economy in poor countries that makes honest work more profitable.

(1) We aren't the ones being taken in by these crimials. It is the people who can least afford to be taken for their life savings that are hurt. If the criminals really cared about their people, they would use their talents to do things that help their country.
(2) Most industrialized countries send billions of dollars to try to do just what you suggest. It has been being done for decades now and guess what? There isn't really an improvement AND scamming still goes on. These criminals are not interested in "honest work", it is much easier for then to scam.

Thanks for your enlightened suggestions. I appreciate when a dullard like you stops by and starts such a thread because it reminds me why I bait! Evil or Very Mad

dullard heart wrote:

Having scammers killed in Chad should not be in any ethical human's toolbox.

Do you know something we don't know? Please share if you dare!

I hope you stuck around, or will at least give me back a half hour of my life. Rolling Eyes

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pained heart wrote:

Having scammers killed in Chad should not be in any ethical human's toolbox.

Here we go again - PH is either a troll or a birkenstock-wearing bleeding heart who has a rash from dry humping trees. Let's all join together and sing Kumbaya as we wave goodbye to another "useless element".

Posted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 3:56 am

pained heart wrote:

I don't know what good it will do, but I was apalled at the behavior of baiters chronicled on This American Life.

Having been lucky enough to do a fair bit of travelling, I have seen how poverty and famine can alter ones sense of ethics. From the radio broadcast, I got the feeling that you all are ignorant of the socioeconomic conditions in the world.

Sending people to a part of the world where they can get killed is shameful, even if their greed mitigates your sense of guilt.

If you want to stop these scam emails either (1) ignore them, or (2) encourage an economy in poor countries that makes honest work more profitable. Having scammers killed in Chad should not be in any ethical human's toolbox.

What complete and utter ignorance. Rolling Eyes

Sweet GH wrote:

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PH is either a troll or a birkenstock-wearing bleeding heart who has a rash from dry humping trees

Very insightful Gold Hat Laughing

Posted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 3:59 am

Welcome pained heart. I have a question. What does this mean?

pained heart wrote:

Having been lucky enough to do a fair bit of travelling,

1) Your parents were very well off and you feel you are better than us?
2) You feel we have not traveled?
3) You do not know how to spell traveling.

Anyway, if you do come back, pull up a chair, read the stickies, some threads, baits and then post up what you think.

Posted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 4:02 am

I call troll, or lazy. A few sentences? Tsk.

Posted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 4:04 am

I'm so not asking her to be my Valentine.

Posted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 4:08 am

hi lotta how you going girl
i missed you may be i should menter this newby i can teach him how to spell and everthing to go with baitting i know so mucha now its easy to do cos all of the scammers have low IQ Wink

Posted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 4:11 am

@ A SH,

The fur may fly now and it won't be because of the OP.

Be NICE to lotta!

Posted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 4:15 am

Quote:

fnozzzgrrrrrr

Is the sound of me blowing my nose.

I'm open to suggestions on what to eat for dinner tonight as I can't be bothered cooking during a heatwave when the air-con is kaput.

Posted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 4:22 am

ParaNoid wrote:

@ A SH,

The fur may fly now and it won't be because of the OP.

Be NICE to lotta!

lotta and i are old friends she has stayed up with me late at night when it has been all to much Crying or Very sad

for me and i needed a sholder to cry on Wink

she knowz how high my intellagents goes Wink

Posted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 4:25 am

sir scam alot wrote:

I'm so not asking her to be my Valentine.

You better not, SSA. Just Jane has a nice Glock with your name on it now. Wink

Posted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 4:57 am

........and I know how to use it! Cool

Posted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 4:58 am

This is turning into another PWT. Laughing

Posted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 5:12 am

General Chat is a PWT. Laughing

Posted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 5:15 am

A SKYHOOK wrote:

hi lotta how you going girl
i missed you may be i should menter this newby i can teach him how to spell and everthing to go with baitting i know so mucha now its easy to do cos all of the scammers have low IQ Wink

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