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pained heart
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Joined: 04 Feb 2009
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Wed Feb 04, 2009 11:46 pm |
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I don't know what good it will do, but I was apalled at the behavior of baiters chronicled on This American Life.
Having been lucky enough to do a fair bit of travelling, I have seen how poverty and famine can alter ones sense of ethics. From the radio broadcast, I got the feeling that you all are ignorant of the socioeconomic conditions in the world.
Sending people to a part of the world where they can get killed is shameful, even if their greed mitigates your sense of guilt.
If you want to stop these scam emails either (1) ignore them, or (2) encourage an economy in poor countries that makes honest work more profitable. Having scammers killed in Chad should not be in any ethical human's toolbox. |
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Scam Patroller
Baiting Guru
Joined: 08 Jul 2004
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Location: UK
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Wed Feb 04, 2009 11:55 pm |
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irishemigrant
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Joined: 22 Jul 2007
Posts: 4933
Location: 40*45' S 172* 34'E
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Wed Feb 04, 2009 11:57 pm |
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Ohhhhhhhhhhhh Look Ethel, another (*&)(^%)*&@)$_ Ethics thread. |
_________________ SeniorNet NZ Local Branch ongoing workshops about internet scams
http://www.scamwarners.com/ For when you want to remember why we bait
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Ima Baeder
Baiting Guru
Joined: 03 May 2007
Posts: 18313
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Wed Feb 04, 2009 11:58 pm |
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Hi pained heart and welcome here.
Ignoring the scammers will do nothing to deter them, that's just preposterous.
I'm curious, have you read any victim's stories and worried about their plights or just that of the scammers?
Edit to add: http://forum.419eater.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=32877&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=
The sticky topic I linked above is required reading before lecturing us on ethics. Also please visit our sister site, ScamWarners and read the victim's stories, particularly the one from a man who was almost beat to death by scammers in South Africa. |
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Newdonym
Elite Baiter
Joined: 19 Jan 2008
Posts: 1043
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Thu Feb 05, 2009 12:02 am |
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I'm not religous in the slightest, but the rule of "Do unto others as you would have others do unto you." is a maxim I hope I live by.
Read some of the victims' stories, or the baits where mothers are told to send the money they need for their dying childrens medicine.
That bait pushed the boundries, but they are adults capable of making their own choices. |
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Rodus
Baiting Guru
Joined: 13 Dec 2006
Posts: 3685
Location: Back under the cold shower
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Thu Feb 05, 2009 12:07 am |
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pained heart wrote: |
(2) encourage an economy in poor countries that makes honest work more profitable. |
Wrong, in many places scamming and earning money by doing as little work as possible is encouraged and seen as clever. No economy boost is going to stop this. In fact it's the same crap the lads trot out about 'exploitation by westerners' and it's total bullshit.
The lads have murdered people, they target the old, disabled, children etc, anyone they can make a fast buck out of, their victims have committed suicide. Write to one, tell him you'd love to send money but it's the last little bit you have for life saving medicine. He'll tell you to send it anyway as 'soon you will be rich', hows that for morals?
These guys are scum of the earth criminals who wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire, we extend them the same generosity but we don't make them do anything, whatever they do is of their own free will no matter how stupid or suicidal. |
_________________ I will kiss you romance u,suck and penetrate u - Williams Muyeke
now am as poor as a church rat - Lou1s Mar1on
I AM FINANCIALLY DEAD RIGHT AWAY - Louis in Accra
u can keep sending money to Gomer and leave me alone - Agent Smith cracks up
Lou1s Mar1on - Lagos to Accra (satellite IP) - "so, what i need to do to get out of these place?"
- 18 mths: Louis
The*Catb1ngo Hotel*
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Pastor Frank
Baiting Guru
Joined: 31 Jan 2007
Posts: 12237
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Thu Feb 05, 2009 12:12 am |
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Welcome to Eater. Bait safe, and look into a mentor, I believe JoJo is available. |
_________________ "Father Juan are sure that you are man of God,because your behaviors showed you as unbeliever" -Mary R |
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bill mcdill
Master of Master Baiters
Joined: 03 Feb 2008
Posts: 966
Location: Sleeping in Charles Saludo's wet spot
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Thu Feb 05, 2009 12:30 am |
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I can assure you that most of the scammers that I deal with are Russian or from some other Eastern European country. These are intelligent criminals, not people to be pitied. |
_________________ So many phony websites, so little time...
x4 x5
J03L Akum14h - Accra to Tamale and back again (co-bait with Kurat)
"So if i may ask,who bangs you?" J03L Akum14h
"I like a chicken. I shall tell about it somehow." S4tty
"In fact, our correspondent is almost arrested by the security agent for bringing in fake information" Barrister W0ngM@rtins
"hey what fuck are u don't reply bul sheet go to heal" Mr. Samuel (a jilted love lad) |
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sir scam alot
Baiting Guru
Joined: 19 Mar 2008
Posts: 5076
Location: Louisiana
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Thu Feb 05, 2009 12:30 am |
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Newdonym wrote: |
That bait pushed the boundries, but they are adults capable of making their own choices. |
It pushed boundaries perhaps, but didn't go far enough in my opinion. If Adamu had died in the desert, the only sympathy I would have is for the vultures that had to eat his stinking corpse.
By the way newbie, I also sent a scammer to Abeche. He thought he was going to steal money from a charity that was helping starving children and refugees in Darfur. The saddest part is that he made it back alive.
I wish I could run a bait so controversial, it would still be the subject of an ethics thread months later. |
_________________ = Rev. JB Johnson. Lome to Parakou "i thought it will just be a day jouney. unknowingly to me that it will last up to one week."
2 = Harrison: Owerri, Nigeria to Cotonou, Benin and Accra, Ghana "i know ive been a sucker for twat "
= (Group safari) Oy3nka Ch1dinma: Lagos to Cotonou: "Thank you so much for the embrassment."
= Group safari - Dan Nkwerre: Port Harcourt to Abeche, Chad
2 = Barr. Mustapha Marlick: Lome, Togo to Abuja Nigeria and Accra, Ghana.
x15 (some survived) x280
<b>Have you kicked your lad today?<b>
Over $1 million USD in fake checks/money orders confiscated |
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Newdonym
Elite Baiter
Joined: 19 Jan 2008
Posts: 1043
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Thu Feb 05, 2009 12:37 am |
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SSA: All of your baits disgust me, I hope you die in a fire for wishing harm on those poor, defensive, sea kitten-esque scammers. (Is that better) |
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Tsnerd
Not quite a Newb
Joined: 14 Jul 2005
Posts: 41
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Thu Feb 05, 2009 12:38 am |
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encourage an economy in poor countries that makes honest work more profitable. |
So, countries that have functioning economies don't have crime?
Really? |
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Fakers: many, many, lots; an SSL and a couple of Resellers.
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Ima Baeder
Baiting Guru
Joined: 03 May 2007
Posts: 18313
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Thu Feb 05, 2009 12:38 am |
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(2) encourage an economy in poor countries that makes honest work more profitable. |
I'm wondering what this has to do with the scammers in Canada, the UK, Amsterdam or the US, along with the vlads mentioned by billmcdill. Can we still bait those? |
_________________ 348 Fake Sites killed
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Newdonym
Elite Baiter
Joined: 19 Jan 2008
Posts: 1043
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Thu Feb 05, 2009 12:40 am |
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^not whilst they're in a recession. |
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Harry Bawls
Elite Baiter
Joined: 19 Oct 2006
Posts: 1310
Location: Somewhere, nowhere, everywhere
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Thu Feb 05, 2009 12:41 am |
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I'm pretty sure there are bad germans too.
No, Harry. SP already researched that. TS
Yeah, I could get a Ph.D. for all the research I do if I submitted a paper on it, and I would be writing on a subject which I knew something about, unlike some knowalls who know nothing - SP
Hey guys! I just wanted to add a mod edit as well - NN
Hey! All the cool colours will be taken soon - RC |
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sir scam alot
Baiting Guru
Joined: 19 Mar 2008
Posts: 5076
Location: Louisiana
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Thu Feb 05, 2009 12:44 am |
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Newdonym wrote: |
SSA: All of your baits disgust me, I hope you die in a fire for wishing harm on those poor, defensive, sea kitten-esque scammers. (Is that better) |
Much better, thanks. I thought I had turned into a *cough* lad hugger *cough or something. |
_________________ = Rev. JB Johnson. Lome to Parakou "i thought it will just be a day jouney. unknowingly to me that it will last up to one week."
2 = Harrison: Owerri, Nigeria to Cotonou, Benin and Accra, Ghana "i know ive been a sucker for twat "
= (Group safari) Oy3nka Ch1dinma: Lagos to Cotonou: "Thank you so much for the embrassment."
= Group safari - Dan Nkwerre: Port Harcourt to Abeche, Chad
2 = Barr. Mustapha Marlick: Lome, Togo to Abuja Nigeria and Accra, Ghana.
x15 (some survived) x280
<b>Have you kicked your lad today?<b>
Over $1 million USD in fake checks/money orders confiscated |
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doc holliday
Squirrels Hate Me
Joined: 06 Feb 2008
Posts: 2477
Location: Behind the Oriental,taking potshots at hitlads.
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Thu Feb 05, 2009 12:48 am |
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I am very sorry for you Xxxxxx, davey
is a pity that this is how your life is going to end as soon as you don't comply. As you can see there is no need of introducing myself to you because I don't have any business with you, my duty as I am mailing you now is just to KILL you and I have to do it as I have already been paid for that. Someone you call a friend wants you Dead by all means, and the person have spent a lot of money on this, the person also came to us and told me that he wanted you dead and he provided us with your name ,picture and other necessary information's we needed about you. So I sent my boys to track you down and they have carried out the necessary investigation needed for the operation on you, and they have done that but I told them not to kill you that I will like to contact you and see if your life is Important to you or not since their findings shows that you are innocent. I called my client back and ask him of your email address which I didn't tell him what I wanted to do with it and he gave it to me and I am using it to contact you now. As I am writing to you now my men are monitoring you and they are telling me everything about you. Now do you want to LIVE OR DIE? As someone has paid us to kill you. Get back to me now if you are ready to pay some fees to spare your life, $15,000 is all you need to spend You will first of all pay $8,000 then I will send a tape to you which i recoeded every discusion i hade with the person who wanted you dead and as soon as you get the tape, you will pay the remaining $7,000. If you are not ready for my help, then I will carry on with my job straight-up. WARNING: DO NOT THINK OF CONTACTING THE POLICE OR EVEN TELLING ANYONE BECAUSE I WILL KNOW.REMEMBER, SOMEONE WHO KNOWS YOU VERY WELL WANT YOU DEAD! I WILL EXTEND IT TO YOUR FAMILY, INCASE I NOTICE SOMETHING FUNNY. DO NOT COME OUT ONCE IT IS 7M UNTIL I MAKE OUT TIME TO SEE YOU AND GIVE YOU THE TAPE OF MY DISCUSSION WITH THE PERSON WHO WANT YOU DEAD THEN YOU CAN USE IT TO TAKE ANY LEGAL ACTION. GOOD LUCK AS I AWAIT YOUR REPLY ON MY PRIVATE MAIL.
[email protected]
DEATH HAS NO SECOND CHANCE
RESPOND TO THIS MAIL AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
REGARDS
AGENT KILLER
Now try to put yourself in the position of someone getting this e mail.Can you justify the terror?Poverty is a worldwide problem as we all know,but it is insulting to those who work their tail off to get by,using honest means,to justify this
The people in this forum are neither ignorant or unsympathetic.Quite to the contrary,I think you will find the members here more aware of what is going on in the world than most.Sorry,they ain't stealing bread because they are hungry.They are greedy selfish bastards who are too damn lazy to contribute anything to their stillborn society. |
_________________ Fuck off, and wait for your death, you fucking dog's eater, I will see this to the end, already, you are a fucking negativity to this world, go to hell after two puuuuuuuuuuuuuuu
Jack N0delay,hitlad
You have given me enough stress through the shit you sent to me
Jack the hitlad
What you sent to me is not real, don't you fucking understand simple english, that is not real slip from money gram, I have been using money gram before now, FUCK YOU. IDIOT. PLAY YOUR GAME WELL. MASTER OF ALL PLAYERS
Jack,the hitlad who keeps giving me fresh sig lines
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sir scam alot
Baiting Guru
Joined: 19 Mar 2008
Posts: 5076
Location: Louisiana
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Thu Feb 05, 2009 12:51 am |
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I was just about to mention the hitman scam. You beat me to it. |
_________________ = Rev. JB Johnson. Lome to Parakou "i thought it will just be a day jouney. unknowingly to me that it will last up to one week."
2 = Harrison: Owerri, Nigeria to Cotonou, Benin and Accra, Ghana "i know ive been a sucker for twat "
= (Group safari) Oy3nka Ch1dinma: Lagos to Cotonou: "Thank you so much for the embrassment."
= Group safari - Dan Nkwerre: Port Harcourt to Abeche, Chad
2 = Barr. Mustapha Marlick: Lome, Togo to Abuja Nigeria and Accra, Ghana.
x15 (some survived) x280
<b>Have you kicked your lad today?<b>
Over $1 million USD in fake checks/money orders confiscated |
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doc holliday
Squirrels Hate Me
Joined: 06 Feb 2008
Posts: 2477
Location: Behind the Oriental,taking potshots at hitlads.
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Thu Feb 05, 2009 12:55 am |
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I saw something about you being a lad hugger,and thought I was in an alternate universe.Does Spock have a beard here? |
_________________ Fuck off, and wait for your death, you fucking dog's eater, I will see this to the end, already, you are a fucking negativity to this world, go to hell after two puuuuuuuuuuuuuuu
Jack N0delay,hitlad
You have given me enough stress through the shit you sent to me
Jack the hitlad
What you sent to me is not real, don't you fucking understand simple english, that is not real slip from money gram, I have been using money gram before now, FUCK YOU. IDIOT. PLAY YOUR GAME WELL. MASTER OF ALL PLAYERS
Jack,the hitlad who keeps giving me fresh sig lines
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sir scam alot
Baiting Guru
Joined: 19 Mar 2008
Posts: 5076
Location: Louisiana
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Thu Feb 05, 2009 1:02 am |
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I like to hug lads but it's more of the kind of hug around the neck that happens right before a quick snap that severs the spinal cord. |
_________________ = Rev. JB Johnson. Lome to Parakou "i thought it will just be a day jouney. unknowingly to me that it will last up to one week."
2 = Harrison: Owerri, Nigeria to Cotonou, Benin and Accra, Ghana "i know ive been a sucker for twat "
= (Group safari) Oy3nka Ch1dinma: Lagos to Cotonou: "Thank you so much for the embrassment."
= Group safari - Dan Nkwerre: Port Harcourt to Abeche, Chad
2 = Barr. Mustapha Marlick: Lome, Togo to Abuja Nigeria and Accra, Ghana.
x15 (some survived) x280
<b>Have you kicked your lad today?<b>
Over $1 million USD in fake checks/money orders confiscated |
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thefife
Baiting Guru
Joined: 13 Apr 2007
Posts: 2261
Location: Soaked in Holy Ghost Fiyah...it tastes like chicken
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Thu Feb 05, 2009 1:04 am |
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OMG are folks still streaming in ranting about that Chad bait?? Still?!?! Wait. Really??? Oh cry me a river. |
_________________ Mercedes-Benz Safari Invitational Peter S0lomon Lagos to Calabar Lagos to Kano via Abuja (w/ OxygenDeprived)
Barr. Johnny Gawa: Hello Baby.
Let hope to make it more real for good. (+2 pics of him rockin his delicate underthings)
Pastor Ramesh:Dear Mother Guch33y B4ggs in christ,
...So we want repair our tached prayer house. If you would like to help us 500 dollars it will be great help...Now I am some pictures for your kind notice. I am waiting for your reply.
Thanking you. Yours in His service (+ Banner!)
Pastor Ramesh: I dont want any luxary life ...Presently I need bicycle. It cost nearly $100 dollars. If you give this it is great need for me.
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Scam Patroller
Baiting Guru
Joined: 08 Jul 2004
Posts: 11857
Location: UK
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Thu Feb 05, 2009 1:06 am |
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I suppose I might as well get a plug in for my site, if Pained Heart wants to see what happens to some victims at the hands of scammers, they should see my site link below for some items where scam victims were robbed, kidnapped and murdered:
http://www.scam-info-links.info/scam_victim_news.html
In particular, read the news story titled, Greek man murdered by 419 scammers, it's very enlightening, here are a couple of snippets from the item, and you expect us to show scammers some mercy when they do things like this?:
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He was apparently lured to the country under the pretence that he could earn hundreds of thousands of rands. He was then kidnapped and summarily killed when his family refused to pay the ransom. |
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The ransom was not paid. A day later, police found George's body in Durban. Both his legs and arms were broken and he had been set alight - probably while he was still alive.
"This was a blatant execution after a failed demand. Mr Makronalli's suitcases full of clothes and travel documents were found with his body. Robbery was not the motive," the police spokesperson said. |
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luckey
Moderator
Joined: 25 Jan 2007
Posts: 5672
Location: Check the lost and found
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Thu Feb 05, 2009 1:16 am |
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Jail is the usual consequence for habitual criminals. Did anything happen during the Chad bait that was worse than jail?
(No offense Prof., Jojo and YW, I know you tried your best.) |
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Lady Warmonger
Master Baiter
Joined: 18 Jan 2009
Posts: 154
Location: the hills of the hoosier state
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Thu Feb 05, 2009 1:24 am |
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Actually I sort of side with pained heart. I, somewhat, feel that we may really be wasting our time with baiting these lads. Instead, I feel we should just terminate the bas**ds with a very efficent head shot. you Know -- one round,one down. If I win the lottery two things that I would love to do is go to
Abeche in chad and go to the Internet Cafe and get on the internet and take pictures while downloading them to 419. I think that would be fun,what with instant live pics of your lads trying to scam the baiters. Second, if you can get them to move around a little, I'm sure a Mosin-Nagant in good shape can be found in that peaceful country to pratice pot shots on the lads head. Now, doncha' think that would be more fun and to help the problem, Mr. Faint heart? I suspect Mr. Pained Heart is a P.C. Socialist. |
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DoraTheExplorer
Baiting Guru
Joined: 18 Nov 2008
Posts: 9263
Location: Magnolia, Mississippi
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Thu Feb 05, 2009 1:39 am |
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Hello pained heart and welcome to Eater!
I know someone that is going to be very happy to see this thread in the morning. However, in the meantime, here is some light reading for you:
Did you read the whole Chad bait? No? Take your time. It is only 165 odd pages: Clicky
And to read other people's thoughts about the ethics of the bait here and here.
A nice thread about the radio show here.
And last but not least, here is a nice sticky about ethics, with even more links!
Please, when you are finished, let us know if you have changed your mind at all.
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BluthBanana
Baiting Guru
Joined: 16 Sep 2008
Posts: 2260
Location: Balboa Towers
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Thu Feb 05, 2009 1:57 am |
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The lovely Dora summed up the existing literature brilliantly!
pained heart wrote: |
I got the feeling that you all are ignorant of the socioeconomic conditions in the world. |
I find it a bit troubling that you accuse us of ignorance, pained heart, but you did not take the time to see what we are about. As has been said before, I would love to hear your reaction after reading a few stories of the victims of these criminals. |
_________________ {Area 419: Scambaiting Radio}
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Art baits: X-Wing
419 Eater Theatre: The Hitchhiker
Lads & Crocodiles: x3 x3 {John} {Willie} {Kingsley}
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