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bill mcdill
Master of Master Baiters
Joined: 03 Feb 2008
Posts: 966
Location: Sleeping in Charles Saludo's wet spot
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Wed Nov 12, 2008 2:04 pm |
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Last night I received a 419 scam in the mail, addressed to the RL me! It was a clear check cashing scam. The envelope (which was addressed to me correctly) had no return addy. It contained a letter indicating that I had won a bazillion $ from some lottery. Along with the letter was a very real looking check for $4500. The letter stated that the 4.5K was a down payment on the rest of my winnings but that I owed the US Gov't ~3.8K in taxes and that I should send this via WU or MG to "my" tax attorney (which of course they have set me up with).
Absolutely a typical 419, the kind we all have have hit the autoflush in our email accounts for years. Except, this was a hard copy scam. This had to have cost the lads some cash in printing and postal costs. If I get the time, I will scan the docs and post, but this was all very legit looking and I am sure there will be vics who fall for this. |
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"So if i may ask,who bangs you?" J03L Akum14h
"I like a chicken. I shall tell about it somehow." S4tty
"In fact, our correspondent is almost arrested by the security agent for bringing in fake information" Barrister W0ngM@rtins
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bill2
Baiting Guru
Joined: 10 Sep 2006
Posts: 5495
Location: Yeah who can tell me where I am?
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Wed Nov 12, 2008 2:17 pm |
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Make sure that the word gets out there (scamwarners) so possible victims can be warned, can you scan the letter?
We must bug a few scammers that they go back to the old days, I like that idea although it will be harder to fight, but easier to stop if they want to, just burn the snail mail from there when it enters the country |
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Titania
Hell on wheels
Joined: 06 Jun 2008
Posts: 2442
Location: Rollin' rollin' rollin'
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Wed Nov 12, 2008 3:44 pm |
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Only $3,800 in taxes on a lottery prize? The friend who got one of those said her prize was supposed to be $250,000. By my calculations, the taxes on that would be around $125,000 - US taxes on lottery an gambling winnings is darn near 50%. Whenever somebody wins the Mega-Millions in the state lottery, the news reporters always tell us their actual winnings after taxes is about half, and if they opt for immediate payout (rather than over 20 years), it's only about a quarter.
If more people knew that, they'd look at that letter and check a bit harder. |
_________________ i do not know you.you need to expanciate more - C0llins W3aver
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Master of the Ood
Not quite a Newb
Joined: 22 Sep 2008
Posts: 41
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Wed Nov 12, 2008 6:54 pm |
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Lottery winnings are no different than any other ordinary income, and get taxed at a maximum rate of 35%. $3600 is still way low for taxes for any sort of sizable lottery winnings, but just wanted to point out that the government doesn't get to take half your winnings if anyone legitimately wins a lottery. |
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Juan Freizwidatt
Associate
Joined: 18 Apr 2004
Posts: 20834
Location: Hanging out at In-n-Out
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Wed Nov 12, 2008 7:08 pm |
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That modality is certainly not common but it's also not unknown, unfortunately. And yes, a very authentic-looking check in hand is more convincing to a potential victim than a random email. It's a very insidious and dangerous version of the old lottery scam, with fake check scam in the mix. |
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- Douala>Korup; Lagos>Cotonou>Parakou; Cotonou>Niger border; Cotonou>Pendjari>jail in Tanguietta; Asaba>Abuja; Accra>Tamale
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mami
Master of Master Baiters
Joined: 18 Feb 2007
Posts: 657
Location: Usman Bello's Ex
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Wed Nov 12, 2008 7:13 pm |
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Cash it, go on vacation and tell them you'll pay the taxes after you receive the big sum... |
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Connie L. Gus
Moderator
Joined: 07 Oct 2005
Posts: 7243
Location: Somewhere over the rainbow
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Wed Nov 12, 2008 7:17 pm |
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I remember a guy from college that worked as a bartender. He had a bumper sticker for a burger place spotted by a prize committee. He won a Chevy Corvette. Being a clever college student, he made arrangements to sell the car back to the dealership but had to take ownership and drive it around the block. He had to pay sales taxes and income taxes on MSRP, not what the car was going for and not what he got paid for his used car. He ended up with a 4 cylinder pickup truck free and clear. |
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Ghost
419Eater Admin
Joined: 26 Jun 2004
Posts: 6162
Location: Dating Gal Gadot... in my mind.
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Wed Nov 12, 2008 7:21 pm |
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8/11/07-12/15/08 i am totally a looser -Bruce The trophy machine
2/25/08-4/10/10 It is going to cost me more this time - Lawrence, EFCC Lad Deck participant
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jojobean
Baiting Guru
Joined: 01 Dec 2005
Posts: 7586
Location: YOU WILL DRINK YOUR URINE IN A COMERCIAL BUS
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Wed Nov 12, 2008 7:44 pm |
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Where did it come from? Canada I expect? |
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Kenny 3k miles- dont f*ck me up about the payment plz. i have a policy about that. I JUST GOT A SMALL GOAT TODAY AND ITS IN MY HOUSE NOW. i lobve the goat.
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Owd Git
Master Baiter
Joined: 19 Sep 2008
Posts: 114
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Wed Nov 12, 2008 7:47 pm |
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I cant believe you pay tax on lottery winnings in the US. That sucks |
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bill mcdill
Master of Master Baiters
Joined: 03 Feb 2008
Posts: 966
Location: Sleeping in Charles Saludo's wet spot
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Wed Nov 12, 2008 8:22 pm |
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@ Ghost, that looks like the same MO as the letter I got
@ JoJo, I will check but I don't know where it came from, I am in USA
@ Owd Git, What country are you from that you don't pay taxes on lottery winnings?
@ Mami, I am definitely baiting this POS. He's getting the full arsenal of fuzzy WUs and .dll files I can throw his way.
Will try and get some time to scan and post these, but RL is getting in the way. |
_________________ So many phony websites, so little time...
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J03L Akum14h - Accra to Tamale and back again (co-bait with Kurat)
"So if i may ask,who bangs you?" J03L Akum14h
"I like a chicken. I shall tell about it somehow." S4tty
"In fact, our correspondent is almost arrested by the security agent for bringing in fake information" Barrister W0ngM@rtins
"hey what fuck are u don't reply bul sheet go to heal" Mr. Samuel (a jilted love lad) |
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Titania
Hell on wheels
Joined: 06 Jun 2008
Posts: 2442
Location: Rollin' rollin' rollin'
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Wed Nov 12, 2008 8:23 pm |
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@Owd Git - lottery winnings are income, so we pay income tax on them. We also pay Medicare and Social Security tax on it - and since it is not matched by an employer, the Medicare and Social Security is double what it would be if the money were earned at a job. |
_________________ i do not know you.you need to expanciate more - C0llins W3aver
those words really made me felt completely bad..and i had to dust my ass and wipe tears Micheal David
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GomerPyle
Baiting Guru
Joined: 04 Jan 2007
Posts: 8875
Location: Wherever I lay my hat
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Wed Nov 12, 2008 8:38 pm |
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I just ran off with the proceeds of a counterfeit cheque for $89,100 (not really, but that's what I told the scammer) and he is not amused, even though I sent him a picture of the girl I was spending the money on.
The best thing would be to mail the Lad and tell him you are a non US resident for tax purposes and thank him for the money - or that you are having the proceeds collected from abroad and won't be eligible for US tax - or tell them that you are paying the money into the account of a registered charity for army vets and won't attract tax.
If enough people hammer the scammer with the same story he'll realise he is throwing his money (postage) away on a scam that doesn't work. |
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I and my crew was locked up for 3 good days….They wanted to charge us to court but later we are fined an huge amount of money…I asked them why did they arrest the men, they started laughing and saying all sorts mockering words! -
…because now, am left with nothing and remember i told you my Guy (Joe) gave up earlier this morning |
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Owd Git
Master Baiter
Joined: 19 Sep 2008
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Wed Nov 12, 2008 9:06 pm |
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@ Bill mcdill there is no tax to pay on the proceeds of any form of gambling in the UK, whether from lotteries, horse racing, poker (online or bricks and mortar) financial spread betting or any other source.
The argument goes something like this, if winning punters win and pay income tax then loses will be tax deductible. As the law stands at the moment at any rate.
Edit:As there are more losing punters than winner (depending on how overound any book is, or bookies margins) then there would be a net loss to the government. |
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irishemigrant
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Joined: 22 Jul 2007
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Wed Nov 12, 2008 9:20 pm |
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^^^ Same in New Zealand,no tax on lottery winnings, horse race betting etc, unless it can be shown that your income is derived solely from betting. Even then, it turns into a murky world of who pays for the times you lose.
Also, no capital gains tax, death duties, inheiritance tax etc. |
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larry
Old Telecom Guy
Joined: 07 Mar 2008
Posts: 516
Location: land of mountains plains, lakes, gophers etc etc
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Wed Nov 12, 2008 9:36 pm |
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Same with Canada. No tax on lottery winnings. Unfortunately they tax people so highly on everything else. That's why Canadians buy so many lottery tickets. Its the only way out!! |
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bill mcdill
Master of Master Baiters
Joined: 03 Feb 2008
Posts: 966
Location: Sleeping in Charles Saludo's wet spot
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Wed Nov 12, 2008 9:52 pm |
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Gomer, maybe we can mass bait this POS? Everyone comes up with some phony baloney reason why they can't pay him or starts sending him fuzzy WU's. Maybe we can at least slow him down? Anyone interested please PM me and I'll get you the email addy. |
_________________ So many phony websites, so little time...
x4 x5
J03L Akum14h - Accra to Tamale and back again (co-bait with Kurat)
"So if i may ask,who bangs you?" J03L Akum14h
"I like a chicken. I shall tell about it somehow." S4tty
"In fact, our correspondent is almost arrested by the security agent for bringing in fake information" Barrister W0ngM@rtins
"hey what fuck are u don't reply bul sheet go to heal" Mr. Samuel (a jilted love lad) |
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