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Hello I'm New here! Joined: 21 Sep 2008 Posts: 10

I am working on a box of fine cuban cigars as a trophy.

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Thank you for your email.

Mr. H,
It appears that you are in Hong Kong. Being a business man in Hong Kong I am sure you are familiar with the niceties and code of conduct for doing this level of business. Since I am 73 years old, the internet is a new experience for me. My nephew who is a college graduate in information technology just finished updating my company last month. We are sill getting used to being online and working through email.

Thus, please excuse me for doing business the old fashioned way. Generally when dealing with business men in Hong Kong and SE asia. It Is customary for an exchange of gifts which show respect and trust. I really enjoy doing business with men in Hong Kong as they have a ready supply of Cuban cigars. Since you are the initiator of this contact please honor me and gain my respect and trust by sending me one box of cigars. I will then reciprocate with a fine single malt scotch. Once this is accomplished we can move forward with this transaction.

Please reply to me as soon as possible so we can arrange for the exchange and continue with our business.

Thank you again for your email.

Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 5:12 pm

Good luck, bait safely, enjoy. If he sends those cigars at this stage though, it'll come to most people here as a surprise.

Hello I'm New here! Joined: 21 Sep 2008 Posts: 10

Oh no, we have been at this for a while, finally just got him off his script so now it is time for trophy hunting!

Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 5:43 pm

Good luck bug! Smile

Like Psychadelia, I'll be surprised if he's willing to send you cigars. In fact, if you aim to smoke them or sell them, I'd argue that it's bordering on cash baiting, which is frowned on, so do read up on that.
Also, there is the question of where you are going to recieve these cigars, if you go ahead with it. We never give away real details of ourselves, so you'd need to have the permission of a drop box operator. I don't see any mention of that.

Look at me, being the negative bugger again. Confused

Do enjoy your baiting, and make sure you bait safe!

Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 5:45 pm

Just take it nice and slow according your age Wink

Send him something so he feels he has to do something back and not offend you. Nothing special a picture of an old guy with tie would do, you're not going to get back a trophy right away, but he gets used to the idea that you are a nice old chap. Talk family and grand kids (send baby picture(s) ) and ask about his family, slowly have him comply to a trophy like thing you would like to receive to show of at the family reunion, you're not an old man yet. Wink

Good start! (thought about a mentor to help a bit with the shortcuts and tricks?, they're free!)
Have fun and bait SAFE

Hello I'm New here! Joined: 21 Sep 2008 Posts: 10

A friend and I run a few cyber griping sites so we have a generic post office box set up for those already.

and I also sent him this photo. Ex presidential candidate Walter Mondale!

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Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 6:00 pm

Hi theonlybug, welcome here.

I'm inclined to agree with Mugatu that this gets into cash baiting territory. I realize the differences can seem subtle, and you're probably asking yourself why it's OK to bait for a carving, or a banner, but not for cigars.

I think the difference is, in general, we try to waste scammer's time and distract them from real victims. While some art baits may produce trophies that have material value, the primary reason for going for them is because they waste a lot of scammer time.

If you're in the States, you might want to look into whether or not you are committing a crime by receiving them.

Hello I'm New here! Joined: 21 Sep 2008 Posts: 10

I only did cigars because it is part of the business culture in Hong Kong. Our PO box is in costa rica so it is not a problem of receiving them. Since the business culture revolves around a good smoke and a good libation in Hong Kong then it is a half way reasonable request. Now since the IP is from nigeria, I want to see this guy get a hold of a real box of cubans which should cost him a considerable amount of cash in that country.

Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 7:48 pm

theonlybug wrote:

I want to see this guy get a hold of a real box of cubans which should cost him a considerable amount of cash in that country.

Lads are generally in this to make $$ not blow tons of it on some old white guy just cuz, Hong Kong business culture or no Hong Kong business culture.

I'm not saying it can't be done, I'm sure with the right baiter, the right lad, the stars aligned just so, it could be pulled off. The likelihood of it happening right after you finally got him off script is kinda leaning on the side of not gonna happen. For trophy requests of this magnitude, I'd advise putting in a lot of time getting the lad's trust and making him really believe in you and the transaction, all the while leading him gently toward the trophy request, which of course, the entire transaction is hinging on. Attention to detail will only help you.

It also crossed my mind that this might be approaching that pesky cashbaiting red zone. Though techinically he's asking for a gift, which in the cultural context of the bait would be normal. If the lad wants to give a gift... I know he's being misled, thinking it's a means to an end that is never going to come to fruition, blah blah blah, but in the end, he expressly asked for a specific gift, the lad is free to give the gift the baiter asked for right?

On another note, I noticed the "4president.org" on "your" photo...I do hope you chopped this out for the lad or had a valid reason for it's being there. You never know when a glaring inconsistency can come back to bite ya.

Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 8:20 pm

why would you want Cuban cigars from Nigeria?

wouldn't it be better to have him grow the plant from seed and roll you a cigar?

he could then send it to you so you can present it to your board of directors and start marketing these fine specimens of cigardom.

sorry my mind went off track, what were we taling about?

Hello I'm New here! Joined: 21 Sep 2008 Posts: 10

That was just the source photo.

Hello I'm New here! Joined: 21 Sep 2008 Posts: 10

Received a reply from Mr. H. I even got the standard photos. I got the passport, and work ID in addition to these. You can tell the photo was cut and pasted on those documents.

Anyhow because of forum rules I will not post them, but here are a couple of the non id ones:

and here is my return letter to him:

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Hello Mr. H,
After this much correspondence, I hope that I can now call you M and a friend. I cannot believe I was able to introduce our two state senator candidates at my grandson’s basketball game last night. It was a lot of fun.
I am really getting on in years and have watched most of my friends wither away and pass on. Thus it is great to find a friend such as yourself. You see, my children are grown and have families of their own. Since losing my wife of 45 years last year my life has been lacking friendship.

None of my children are interested in continuing the family business so I am also looking for a partner to take over if my timely demise may happen. With your position at the bank, you should have the financial knowledge to take care of such a business. Would you be interested in taking this partnership further? I am sure I could take care of the $2500 air fare and $5000 for accommodations to come and meeting me in person and take a tour of our facilities if you are interested in learning this business.

Anyhow, I am heading out tonight, I am supposed to play bingo tonight at the local seniors center. Let me know when you would like to send that box of cigars so we can formalize this relationship and begin conducting business.

Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 11:24 pm

Wow...this dude's entire family album must be like the stock photo file for the lads...

Hello I'm New here! Joined: 21 Sep 2008 Posts: 10

I thought I had lost this one but today I get this!

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Dear Friend ,

Thanks for your email, however i will come along with the cigars when the transfer is over i promise that and my word is my bond

Let me get your full names and adress to enable me process the legal documents

What would your reply be?

Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2008 2:29 am

Get on with the bait & drop the cigars.

Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2008 6:33 am

I'd tell him I already gave him my address, just for the sake of (creating) argument, and express disappointment about the cigars and his lack of seriousness in this transaction. Your disappointment and doubt should be ever-present, no matter what he does. Bring it up regularly. You might get some kind of trophy this way, but later, when he's within an inch of a fat Westie payment.

nb: There's nothing like phone contact to win a lad's trust. A VOIP account or an old, untraceable mobile phone is worth its weight in lad pain.

Hello I'm New here! Joined: 21 Sep 2008 Posts: 10

Mr. H

You have not contacted me in 8 days. This is unacceptable if we are going to be business partners. I do not think you are serious about our partnership. I do business the old fashioned way. Your behavior has proved even further why the niceties of business are necessary to prove ones dedication to working together on the business proposition.

You have received my full name in every email. You have received my address already. My office phone number is: 206-202-xxxx you can leave a message if I do not answer. A K7 number

If you are serious then an immediate response and exchange of custom business practices are necessary to continue.

Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2008 1:10 pm

I've received pix of that guy and his family, though not those specific ones, purporting to be of Patr1ck Ch4n, L1 L3 S0ng, or J0seph P00n.

Hello I'm New here! Joined: 21 Sep 2008 Posts: 10

I think this may be his first scam! He is all over the place. It is like he forgets what is going on and then comes back with the second script posting. What an idiot.

Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 4:41 pm

Make sure to tell him he's doing a bang up job!

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