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Not quite a Newb Joined: 06 May 2008 Posts: 33

*From:* depatment@luckymail.com
> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 10, 2008 9:55 AM
> *To:* undisclosed-recipients:
> *Subject:* RECOVERED FUND/CONTACT MR. JOHN MARK URGENTLY.
>
> From *Mr. David Radebe*
> Director (Payment Approval)
> Office of the Treasure - Department Of Finance
> Pretoria Head Quarters, *Republic of South Africa
> *
> The *Treasury Department of the Ministry of Finance* here in the Republic
> of South Africa, has investigated your fund which has been on transfer
> process for some period of time.
>
> During the second quarter of the general Financial Auditing in the Reserve
> Bank, the office of the auditing and fund recovery unit, has recovered
> your fund at the tune of US$2,000,000.00, which was to be paid to you
> through bank to bank transfer to your bank account.
>
> It has been understood by our investigation team, that this fund was
> acquired by you as a result of the initial inheritance of fund, which your
> partner partner was supposed to remit the fund into your bank account here
> in South Africa some past years, and you have not received the money due
> to the fact that the *South African Revenue Service Department *demanded
> for their Inland Revenue Tax.
>
> The South African Government has removed this Inland Revenue Tax from your
> fund, and you do not have to make such payment during your payment any
> longer.
>
> After the auditing, the *SARB *decides that all the recovered and returned
> fund should be paid to their various owners within 21 days starting from
> the *9th of June 2008*. This decision was taking by the Board of the
> auditors in the Department of Finance (Office of the Treasury), and at
> present the fund is in the escrow account of the South African Reserve Bank.
>
> The Ministry of Finance has signed the released of your fund, and it
> has also d ecided that your fund should be transferred to you without any
> further delay.
>
> For your full identification and completion of your payment, you are hereby
> advised to send to our agent *(Citizens Finance Corporation, South Africa)
> *, your full information as stated below:
>
> *PERSONAL INFORMATIONS:*
> **
> *FULL NAMES:..........................................*
> *ADDRESS:................................................*
> *AGE OR DATE OF BIRTH:.........................*
> *OCCUPATION:..........................................*
> *COUNTRY OF ORIGIN:..............................*
> *COUNTRY OF RESIDENT:..........................*
> *PHONE AND FAX NUMBERS:....................*
>
> Note that the Department of Finance has ordered and assigned our accredated
> agent *(Citizens Finance Corporation)* to carry out this payment to you,
> therefore you should urgently contact them on the following details;
>
> *CONTACT PERSON: MR. JOHN MARK
> COMPANY: CITIZENS FINANCE CORPORATION
> POSITION: PUBLIC AFFAIRS DIRECTOR
> PHONE: +27 78 269 5427/+27 78 093 4400
> FAX: +27 86 603 8487*
> *EMAIL ADD: **[email protected]*<[email protected]>
> * *
> *PAYOUT AMOUNT: US$2,000,000.00
> IN WORDS: TWO MILLION UNITED STATES DOLLARS ONLY
>
> *Please contact the above person on phone urgently *+27 78 269 5427/+27 78
> 093 4400* and request them to give you more information on the means which
> you will receive your fund.
>
> As soon as the our agent *(Citizens Finance Corporation)* has confirmed to
> us that you have contacted them, the Department of Finance will proceed to
> hand over your fund to *(Citizens Finance Corporation)* and request them
> to commence your payment with immediate effect.
>
> Waiting for your further proceedings.
>
> Regards,
>
> *Mr. David Radebe
> Department of Treasury
> Ministry of Finance
> Republic of South Africa*
> Phone..+27 79 792 3168.

Note the spelling mistakes I've highlighted in red

Not quite a Newb Joined: 06 May 2008 Posts: 33

My Reply

PERSONAL INFORMATIONS:

FULL NAMES:..........B A Tinne................................
ADDRESS:..........51 Wuthering Heights, Oldham, North Riding
AGE OR DATE OF BIRTH:......59...................
OCCUPATION:...........Nun...............................
COUNTRY OF ORIGIN:.....UK.........................
COUNTRY OF RESIDENT:........UK..................
PHONE AND FAX NUMBERS:...0532 6665528.................

Not quite a Newb Joined: 06 May 2008 Posts: 33

Today

CITIZENS FINANCE CORPORATION
SOUTH AFRICA..
MR. JOHN MARK
FINANCE DIRECTOR
PHONE +27 78 269 5427
FAX +27 86 603 8487
EMAIL ADD: [email protected]

Dear B A Tinne ,

Note that we have received all your informations which you sent to us through Department of Finance.

Also, I wish to let you understand that we are very happy to carry out this contract of your payment, which was awarded to us by the Department of Finance here in South Africa.

Be aware that Citizens Finance Corporation of South Africa is a private finance agency, this company is also a well known company in the shore of Africa.

Right now your file has been submitted to us by the Department of Finance and your fund US$2,000,000.00 is also here in our security custody, it has also been agreed to pay this money to you through bank to bank transfer .

All you need to do now is to fill the attached PAYMENT FORM, and PHOTO PAGE of your INTERNATIONAL PASSPORT or DRVER'S LICENSE and re-send it back to us by email attachment.

Note that as soon as we receive all the documentary and your returned form, we will proceed to the Bank to transfer the money to your bank account i.e first option.

NOTE;
PLEASE also specify if you can come to South Africa to claim your recovered Fund, if not specify by sending us the above requirements.

Please respond to this mail urgently.

Regards,

MR. JOHN MARK
FINANCE DIRECTOR
CITIZENS FINANCE CORPORATION
PHONE: +27 78 269 5427 / +27 78 093 4400 CFC south africa c.2001.
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Spelling mistakes again

Wow aren't they quick in replying??

Posted: Sat Jun 14, 2008 8:19 pm

Welcome to 419Eater, Billy. Smile

I've moved your thread to the "Publish your work" forum, because that seems more suitable than "Fake banks". If you're going to add something relevant to fake sites, please let me know, and I can move it back. Smile

Not quite a Newb Joined: 06 May 2008 Posts: 33

Thank you Eight for the welcome & being so very prompt with placing my thread where it belongs. Razz

Not quite a Newb Joined: 06 May 2008 Posts: 33

I'll be very grateful if someone would please advise me on the wording of this message that I've composed?

This is the reply I'm thinking about sending:

Dear Mr John Mark

Thank you for your email, but unfortunately we don't have a scanner (I think you call it that).
I cannot send you any copies of any of my Drivers License (I don't drive), I cannot send you any copies of my passport (I don't have one), & I cannot send you any bank details, as I am a nun & we don't have things like that, our Mother Superior is the only one with any bank details, but she will not authorise anything until she receives a photograph of yourself, with the message written on a large card in front of you with the message: @Hello I'm ba.tinne John Mark'. As I say this is the only way she will even consider giving you any details. As I am sure that you will agree, we all have to be very careful with these things.

Regards

Sister BA.Tinne

Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 12:00 pm

Seems like your still on script, try and move away from that if you can.

Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 12:52 pm

Trophy pics are nice, but it's not the right time for it IMO.

Just mention the problem with your ID in that message. Make the Lad work for every pitfall you dig for him.

Something like:

Quote:

Thank you for your email, but unfortunately I cannot send you any copies of any of my Drivers License (I don't drive), I cannot send you any copies of my passport (I don't have one), I would like your advice on how we can work around this.

Remember that with God all things are possible.

Not quite a Newb Joined: 06 May 2008 Posts: 33

Thank you both for your input, I've now removed the last paragraph, I think I'll start quoting bits of the bible when I receive the next email!

Dear Mr John Mark

Thank you for your email, but unfortunately we don't have a scanner (I think you call it that).
I cannot send you any copies of any of my Drivers License (I don't drive), I cannot send you any copies of my passport (I don't have one), & I cannot send you any bank details, I would like your advice on how we can work around this.
Regards

Sister BA.Tinne

Moderator Joined: 10 Jan 2007 Posts: 14513

Billy --- looks like a good start here. I would suggest slowing things down and getting him off script.

You can just ignore the intial request for you passport and phone. Dumb lad is on script and might not have even been reading your intial replies. You can of course ask him what is the best way to scan it (along with other assorted computer questions). Also, ask them one at a time, lads love that Very Happy

You can also ask him questions about the fund, the pro's and con's of traveling to SA to claim it in person, etc. etc.

One trick I have had some success with is telling lads you are skeptical, since you have already paid a number of fees to claim your fund in Africa.
This will make him think you are an easy mark, plus allow you to request documentation from him. Very Happy

Good luck and welcome to Eater

Not quite a Newb Joined: 06 May 2008 Posts: 33

Thanks for the advice thedevguy67, & thanks for the welcome, I'm very pleased to be here.
Although I've had many of these scam emails, I've only ever either reported them or deleted them, I wish I'd kept them now, as I've had some real corkers, unfortunately I've only just got to know about this forum from some friends of mine from another forum I'm a member of, & who have had a lot of fun themselves.

I got this reply from 'John Mark' this morning:

CITIZENS FINANCE CORPORATION <[email protected]>
to
date 20 June 2008 09:12
subject FROM MR. JOHN MARK/ REPLY URGENTLY.
mailed-by hotmail.com

hide details 09:12 (8 hours ago)

Reply

Filter Assistant

Hello,

If you can bear the cost of courier service charge of USD$320, then we can send a cheque to your residential address in your country.

Please comply as soon as possible.

Regards,

John Mark.

This is what I sent back:

Hello John,

I'm afraid that you have me at a disadvantage as I'm a little confused now, oh dear Jesus up in heaven, a courier service? please excuse my ignorance, but I honestly don't understand what you mean, please can you tell me what a courier service is? I don't venture out very much you see, & I don't understand very much about these computers either, apart from being able to send & receive emails.

May the lord be with you

Sister Brenda

Hello I'm New here! Joined: 22 Jun 2008 Posts: 1

Well done getting them off script. I can't wait to see what happens next.

Not quite a Newb Joined: 06 May 2008 Posts: 33

As I've been advised to get them off script, I thought the next step would be to make an excuse about the Nunnery landline.

from B.A. Tinne <ba.***********>
to CITIZENS FINANCE CORPORATION <[email protected]>
date 21 June 2008 00:36
subject Re: Finance
mailed-by googlemail.com

Hello, John

I have had to get myself another telephone no. with which you can contact me on, the problem I have been having lately, is that our telephone here at the Nunnery keeps going offline, here is my new no. 2**-***-****. I look forward to receiving your call.

Sister Brenda

Next step as I'd not heard anything from him for nearly 48 hours, I decided to send this email:

Hello John

Is there a problem at all, has something happened? I have to admit that I'm a little bit concerned now, as I haven't heard anything from you.
May the lord be with you

Sister Brenda

I've now had a reply in the form of a recorded message, trouble is I can't quite make out what he's saying, apart from his name & the company he's supposed to be representing.
I'm not sure what to do now in regards to the voice message.

Not quite a Newb Joined: 06 May 2008 Posts: 33

I got this email from him this morning:

from CITIZENS FINANCE CORPORATION <[email protected]>
to ba.tinne***********
date 23 June 2008 07:19
subject FROM MR. JOHN MARK/ REPLY URGENTLY.
mailed-by hotmail.com

Hello Brenda,

We have let you know that the cheque will come to you through a courier service company like the DHL or other companies that can deliver goods to another country but after you must have paid for the charges before they can deliver the cheque to you in your country.

Like I told you in my previous message that immediately the charges is done, your cheque will be delivered under 24hrs. And please check the Number you gave us, is not going through.

Comply as soon as possible.

Regards,

John Mark.

I've replied with this, hopefully keeping him off script a bit longer, & ignoring the request for payment again:

Hello John,

Thank you for your message, the number seems to work fine, unfortunately I can't quite understand what you're saying as you speak a little fast for me. Perhaps it would be preferable to use email only?

Regards
Sister Brenda

Not quite a Newb Joined: 06 May 2008 Posts: 33

I've just sent this email as I haven't heard from my lad for 48 hours.

Hello John

Have you thought of the best way I can get scanned copies of my documents, & send them to you?
Remember that with God all things are possible.

Many Regards
Sister Brenda

Hope you don't mind that I borrowed your quote Yastreb?

Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 9:15 pm

Quote:

Hope you don't mind that I borrowed your quote Yastreb?

I borrowed it from a Lad to start with, so I guess it's public domain now!

Not quite a Newb Joined: 06 May 2008 Posts: 33

Thats not too bad then, but thanks anyway Yastreb.

Not quite a Newb Joined: 06 May 2008 Posts: 33

Well as I still hadn't heard from my lad, I decided to send this email to him yesterday.

Hello John

You haven't replied to my last email, & I need you to help me so that we can arrange for me to send you what you need.
Have you thought of the best way I can get scanned copies of my documents, & send them to you?
Remember that with God all things are possible.

Many Regards
Sister Brenda

I then received this, it looks like he's getting a little fed up of me now, then again he wants to get his money & run!!

Hello B.A. Tinne,

I have told you that you will have to pay for the Courier Service Charge that will deliver you the cheque and I dont know what you ae talking about.

Please responds as soon as possible to conclude this transaction.

Regrards,

John Mark.

Not quite a Newb Joined: 06 May 2008 Posts: 33

I'm now having a few problems, as I'm at a loss as to what to do now to keep stalling my lad, & keep him off script. I've quickly run out of ideas, if someone could have a read at my post, & advise me, I would be very grateful.

Hello B.A. Tinne,

If you are ready to send the charges for the courier service for your cheque, please comply as soon as possible.

Regards,

John Mark.

Hello John Mark

I'm so very sorry, but I was called away urgently, due to my sister who has passed away (may God rest her soul). But some good news,as I have been left a little bit of money from my sisters estate, & I am hoping that it won't be long before it has been released to me. I will let you know as soon as I have found out what is happening on that matter.

May the lord be with you
Sister Brenda

2008/7/1 CITIZENS FINANCE CORPORATION <[email protected]>

Dear Brenda,how are you doing?

Be informed that the management is asking me what is holding you not to pay the Courier Service Charge.

Please try to send the money before they cancel your cheque.

Regards,

MR. JOHN MARK
FINANCE DIRECTOR
CITIZENS FINANCE CORPORATION
PHONE: +27 78 269 5427 /+27 78 093 4400.

Hello John

I'm very sorry, but I'm having a lot of trouble with this money that my sister has left me, you see over here in the UK we have to wait for weeks, sometimes months before any monies can be released to us, regardless of how much (I was told this by a solicitor).
I really do want the money you have for me, but at this time I just don't know what else I can do, do you have any ideas as to what I can do about this? I pray you can help me find a way to help me.

Sister Brenda

Hello,

Lets just forget about the transaction because we both know that if you want to pay, you would have paid for the Courier Service.

It is better we call the fund back to its Origing

Regards,

John Mark.

2008/7/16 CITIZENS FINANCE CORPORATION <[email protected]>:

Dear Brenda,how are you doing?

Be informed that the management is asking me what is holding you not to pay the Courier Service Charge.

Please try to send the money before they cancel your cheque.

Regards,

MR. JOHN MARK
FINANCE DIRECTOR
CITIZENS FINANCE CORPORATION
PHONE: +27 78 269 5427 /+27 78 093 4400.

John, do you read messages properly or do you just ignore them? I have already told you that I cannot get my hands on the money that my sister left me, I also asked you if you could think of anything else I can do to enable me to pay this postage.

You're probanly unable to do it but, is there any way that you can take the money from the money you are holding for me?

hello,

The fund has been insured against any deduction. If it is possible, I would ve done that ealier but it is not.
So I advise you still send for the courier service urgenty before you can get your fund.

Regards,

John Mark.

Hello I'm New here! Joined: 22 Jul 2008 Posts: 12

Try Asking for the information of the courier service, and remember, as a Nun you have no idea what a Money Gram is or who is Western Union.
Perhaps introduce your solicitor that does have access to a bank account and request an account that the money can be wired to, which of course by time the solicitor gets around to sending the money, will be having issues. You could prolly drag this out another couple weeks if the lad doesn't give up in disgust...

You could also use "We love because he first loved us." Which is John 4:19, but I doubt he would make the connection without the numbers

Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 12:21 pm

What this bait needs is a dollar chop... someone writes to you, claiming to be a representative of CFC, explaining that Mr Mark has been taken ill and you need to send the money to his secretary. Mirabile dictu, the money is available (just enough to cover the fee), and you sent it!

At least, that's what you tell Mr Mark when you send him an email to wish him well in his recovery...

Not quite a Newb Joined: 06 May 2008 Posts: 33

Thanks guys, I'll compose an email now, & see what he comes back with.
With a bit of luck, he'll stay with me for a while longer.

Not quite a Newb Joined: 06 May 2008 Posts: 33

I've come up with this, but I think it might need altering in parts, does anyone have any thoughts please?

Hello Mr Mark,

I have been contacted by someone, he hasn't given me a name who is claiming to be a representative of CFC, explaining that Mr John Mark has been taken ill
I'm very sorry to hear that you have been taken seriously ill, So I would like to take this opportunity to wish you well in your recovery, & may the lord watch over you while you sleep.
He told that I I need to send the money to your secretary. The amount he told me you needed, was in fact available, which was apparently just enough to cover the fee, so I have sent it! He said you knew about this, because you told him to ask me for it.
Once again I would like to wish you a speedy recovery, & please remember that "We love because he first loved us."

Sister Brenda

Baiting Guru Joined: 07 Jan 2007 Posts: 2922

Dear Mr Mark,

I was sorry to hear from your colleague Mr Soludo that you were taken ill and rushed to the hospital for emergency proctorootery. However Mr Soludo was able to help me make the payment and for a lesser amount too. This i sent to him yesterday via Western Union.

I do hope your lobotomy surgery went well, myself and all the fellow nuns will be praying for your speedy recovery. In the meantime do not stress yourself with our transaction as Mr Soludo appears more than capable of handling everything in your absence, I am glad that you have such helpful assistants.

May the Lord watch over you whilst you recover and remember "we love because he loved us first"

Sister Brenda.

Not quite a Newb Joined: 06 May 2008 Posts: 33

Thanks Donato, it's definitely better than my reply, I nearly had it though Laughing

I'ts on it's way, so I'm betting that a reply will come back with a whole load of insults & the like & to a nun as well Twisted Evil

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