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Hello I'm New here! Joined: 01 Apr 2008 Posts: 4

Selling my car on manchester gumtree at the minute, and had an email from a guy asking for more pictures of the car, and for my asking price and was it negotiable.
I duly sent him the details, and about 4 days later I get this email back:

Subject: Send me your payment details.
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 06:20:30 -0700
Thanks for your mail and your reply to my Ad.

I like the car and the pictures were quite helpful. Could you send me your contactn information where I can send payment to because as it is now i cannot bring cash as i am not around now and i would direct my company's haulage company to come for the car when the check clears.

So send me your contact address, contact phone number and also the name you want the payment addressed to.

Thanks and have yourself a pleasant day as I wait to read from you soonest,

Anderson.

Now I thought this was a little odd, and I did send him an address to send the cheque to (my work address). i'm now thinking I've made a horrible mistake... any thoughts? Obviously, the car wouldn't be going anywhere without a letter from my bank stating the funds had cleared, and noone in their right mind would send money to a haulage company through western union, but still... Sad

Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 2:18 pm

Please copy the whole email with header, the spaghetti part Smile

that shows when you click "show original" to a message here and we can figure out where your friend emailed from.
If in doubt, don't answer the email and figure out what real life info he has on you like phone, address and name.

Edit: This is how I should have started. Smile

Welcome here, if this is a scam, we can help you !
linky to something to read while you're waiting for an answer:)

Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 2:21 pm

@Snoozum - I would check the ip address of where he is from and see if it matches with what he has said. There is nothing wrong with receiving a check, I have several fake checks at my place right now, it is when you try to cash them that you have problems. It sounds scammerish but you can be certain it is if the check is more than the agreed price.

Also try looking up information about the buyer, see if his name and address matches in directory look ups. Basically be skeptically cautious but no need to be cynical.

From what you provided, I would need more information to make sure he was a scammer or legit.

Edit: because Bill2 posted before me
part deux - I just thought of this, when you get the check, call the issuing Bank and give them the information on it, to double check for yourself on it's legitimacy before you even try to cash it.

Hello I'm New here! Joined: 01 Apr 2008 Posts: 4

OK, I've copied the whole email...

From: "Anderson Barnes" <[email protected]>
To: "me" <[email protected]>
Subject: Send me your payment details.
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 06:20:30 -0700
Thanks for your mail and your reply to my Ad.

I like the car and the pictures were quite helpful. Could you send me your contactn information where I can send payment to because as it is now i cannot bring cash as i am not around now and i would direct my company's haulage company to come for the car when the check clears.

So send me your contact address, contact phone number and also the name you want the payment addressed to.

Thanks and have yourself a pleasant day as I wait to read from you soonest,

Anderson.

> Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 17:29:37 +0000
> From: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: Renault clio 1.2 16v sport dynamique
> To: [email protected]
>
> Hi Anderson,
>
> Did you not get my last email with the specifications?
>
> I'll include them anyway, just in case.
>
> 3 Doors, Manual, Hatchback, PETROL, 17,329 miles,
> metallic black paint, Alloy wheels,Anti-lock braking
> system (ABS) with EBD,Automatic headlamps,Body
> coloured door mirrors,Double optic headlamps,Driver
> and front passenger airbags,Electric front
> windows,Electric heated door mirrors,Emergency Brake
> Assist,Front fog lamps,Front lateral airbags,Heat
> reflecting windscreen,Height adjustable steering
> wheel,Insurance approved engine immobiliser,Power
> assisted steering,R.A.I.D. (Renault Anti-Intrusion
> Device),Remote control central door locking,Single CD
> player,Tinted glass,60/40 split rear seat,Body
> coloured bumpers,Height adjustable driver's seat,Rain
> Sensitive Wipers,Body coloured rear spoiler,Leather
> steering wheel,Rev-counter,Sports seats (half-bucket),
> trip computer, 12 months MOT
>
>
> Due to low mileage and immaculate condition (bodywork
> is perfect due to a complete respray and polish of
> paintwork thanks to someone damageing my paintwork
> when left parked in manchester), price is �4,500
> although I would be willing to negotiate for a quick
> sale.
>
> I will include some more pictures when the rain stops!
>
> Feel free to call to arrange a viewing: 07*********
>
> regards,
>
> Abby
> --- Anderson Barnes <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> >
> > Thanks for your mail but yes I want to see pictures
> > of the car and what is the asking price?
> >
> > Anderson> Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 15:02:51 +0000>
> > From: [email protected]> Subject: Re: Renault
> > clio 1.2 16v sport dynamique> To:
> > [email protected]> > Hi there,> > Hope you
> > got my last email - your email actually ended> up in
> > my spam folder, so don't worry if I take a while> to
> > reply, just send another email.> > And were there
> > any pictures in particular that you> wanted me to
> > take?> > Cheers,> > Abby> ---
> > [email protected] wrote:> > > This email
> > has been sent to you through the Gumtree> > system
> > because you have selected to> > hide your email
> > address in your ad.> > > > Is this email spam? Let
> > us know here:> >
> > http://www.gumtree.com/cgi-bin/help.pl?f=1&s=19> >
> > Is this email dodgy? Let us know here:> >
> > http://www.gumtree.com/cgi-bin/help.pl?f=1&s=2> > >
> > > Contact: [email protected] > > > >>
> >
> ______________________________________________________________________>
> > > > > I am interested in your advertised car> > > >
> > Could you email some pics and also tell me more> >
> > about it and if it is available?> > > > What is the
> > price and also is the price negotiable?> > > >
> > Regards...> > > > > > > >
> >
> __________________________________________________________>
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Hello I'm New here! Joined: 01 Apr 2008 Posts: 4

OK, just figured out how to do this... genius!

X-Apparently-To: [email protected] via 209.191.125.109; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 06:21:04 -0700
X-Originating-IP: [65.55.175.150]
Return-Path: <[email protected]>
Authentication-Results: mta156.mail.re4.yahoo.com from=hotmail.com; domainkeys=neutral (no sig)
Received: from 65.55.175.150 (EHLO blu139-omc1-s10.blu139.hotmail.com) (65.55.175.150) by mta156.mail.re4.yahoo.com with SMTP; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 06:21:01 -0700
Received: from BLU126-W20 ([65.55.162.181]) by blu139-omc1-s10.blu139.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 1 Apr 2008 06:20:30 -0700
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Return-Path: [email protected]
Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_b92e1ca6-fa2f-46b2-8fd8-96506c1e790a_"
X-Originating-IP: [209.214.255.19]
From: "Anderson Barnes" <[email protected]>
To: "me" <[email protected]>
Subject: Send me your payment details.
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 06:20:30 -0700
Importance: Normal
In-Reply-To: <[email protected]>
References: <[email protected]> <[email protected]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Apr 2008 13:20:30.0397 (UTC) FILETIME=[2866F6D0:01C893FB]
Content-Length: 10035

Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 4:21 pm

The header put in http://headertool.apelord.com/headers
comes back as --- 209.214.255.19 Satellite Provider--- after roaming the USA I'll see where that leads me and report back here.

Edit: 1st read above check the cheque first by phone at the bank !

Ip# comes back as Jacksonville Florida, could that be your buyer?

Hello I'm New here! Joined: 01 Apr 2008 Posts: 4

Florida would be a strange place for him to purchase my car, given that I live in Manchester UK and it's a right hand drive car!

Oh well, thanks guys - appreciate it!

Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 10:53 pm

So he might be a scammer, then just stop the conversation with him and if you want to get even, get a safe addy and bait him back Very Happy

If .... then this is step one go introduce yourself to the gang
Next step is here linky to get a mentor and then here linky something to read while you're waiting for your mentor Smile

Have fun and bait safe.