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US_Spook
Master Baiter
Joined: 12 Mar 2008
Posts: 138
Location: Ghost in the Shell
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Wed Mar 12, 2008 10:48 pm |
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This is an interesting thread, and sorry to threadjack it...but...someone suggested we send them to MG. Both of my baits are trying to get me to MG them the money. Can they check it online or by phone to verify?
So why highjack the thread then feel sorry? - drwho |
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kurat
Master of Master Baiters
Joined: 09 Nov 2006
Posts: 522
Location: Europe
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Thu Mar 13, 2008 6:09 am |
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MOneyGram doesn't provide the option to check it online, so they always go to the office. |
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mathias
Baiting Guru
Joined: 18 Feb 2005
Posts: 4187
Location: Germany
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Thu Mar 13, 2008 7:13 am |
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I love ethic`s threads |
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go screw your mother fucking uncircumcised rotten dick on your bedroom wall and die slow *DELETED* because you don't even worth a second out of my time
now you have taken me to a far area from my place ... I have to sleep under the bridge today ...
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BobCat
Master of Master Baiters
Joined: 04 Mar 2005
Posts: 972
Location: on the 'net
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Thu Mar 13, 2008 1:03 pm |
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IF WU is not an ITP, can the same thing be said about MoneyGram?
What about the other wire transfer services?
What about Banks who handle bank-to-bank wire transfers? |
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kurat
Master of Master Baiters
Joined: 09 Nov 2006
Posts: 522
Location: Europe
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Thu Mar 13, 2008 1:04 pm |
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@bobcat,
No they are not, since this is all part of their daily functions.
It's like asking if Yahoo is an ITP, since we send bait mails to their servers. |
_________________ J0el Akum14h - Accra->Tamale->Accra(880km) co-bait with bill mcdill
First kill: (13Nov06)
Fake banks: [ eBay scamsite]
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"I believe that you would not want to hear more of a lawyer language and grammars" - Saint Patrick
"so for my lawyer I want to also seriously sit on the emails I have received" - Mrs. N1na M1lha
"If i don't see you guys today.I probably would starve and have no where to sleep as i cant access my account here while some are low on cash" - Jo3l Akum1ah |
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ladyreverenddr
Hello I'm New here!
Joined: 31 Jan 2008
Posts: 19
Location: commuting between the manor, my parish, and the clinic
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Thu Mar 13, 2008 6:59 pm |
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I have a question that is kind of off topic but still withing the overall ethics of "I"TPs subject.
My lad is insisting on a phone number and I'm thinking of giving them the phone number of the Westborough Baptist Church. They are the group that does the "God Hates F**s" protests at funerals of AIDS victims and veterans. Basically, I would have my lads waste their time crank calling the jerks for me.
Would this be unethical? |
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2891miles
Master Baiter
Joined: 25 Dec 2006
Posts: 156
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Thu Mar 13, 2008 7:06 pm |
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ladyreverenddr wrote: |
Would this be unethical? |
Yes, why don't you use the phone service of one of the eater members instead ? |
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kurat
Master of Master Baiters
Joined: 09 Nov 2006
Posts: 522
Location: Europe
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Thu Mar 13, 2008 7:35 pm |
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This would ruin your bait btw.
IMHO, this wouldn't be unethical, but they still are ITP. |
_________________ J0el Akum14h - Accra->Tamale->Accra(880km) co-bait with bill mcdill
First kill: (13Nov06)
Fake banks: [ eBay scamsite]
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"I believe that you would not want to hear more of a lawyer language and grammars" - Saint Patrick
"so for my lawyer I want to also seriously sit on the emails I have received" - Mrs. N1na M1lha
"If i don't see you guys today.I probably would starve and have no where to sleep as i cant access my account here while some are low on cash" - Jo3l Akum1ah |
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bearkat419
Baiting Guru
Joined: 25 Jun 2007
Posts: 4445
Location: Houston, TX
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Thu Mar 13, 2008 7:44 pm |
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The IPT rule refers to making people who are not aware of the bait, part of the bait story. If you tell the lad that the bus driver is a secret spy, sent to protect him - then you are making an ITP play a role he would not ordinarily play (even if it is only in the lad's mind). If, however, you tell the lad to take the bus - you are not putting any expectation for the bus driver to be anything other than what he is, a bus driver. In the case of Western Union, the employee's job is to check to see if the number the customer has is valid, and either give him money or tell him it isn't valid. This would be true regardless of whether or not you send the lad there. They are an ITP, but you are not involving them in your bait, which is the point. |
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jojobean
Baiting Guru
Joined: 01 Dec 2005
Posts: 7586
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Thu Mar 13, 2008 8:10 pm |
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kurat wrote: |
MOneyGram doesn't provide the option to check it online, so they always go to the office. |
Or call on the phone. You can check them by phone too. |
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US_Spook
Master Baiter
Joined: 12 Mar 2008
Posts: 138
Location: Ghost in the Shell
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Thu Mar 13, 2008 8:38 pm |
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jojobean wrote: |
Or call on the phone. You can check them by phone too. |
Really? DAMN! I went to MG and got me a 2cent transfer, I wanted to send him my 2cents.
Now, he'll be able to call and verify the amount, before he drags his butt down to the MG. |
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kurat
Master of Master Baiters
Joined: 09 Nov 2006
Posts: 522
Location: Europe
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Thu Mar 13, 2008 9:17 pm |
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I have never had a lad call there...at least none have confessed. |
_________________ J0el Akum14h - Accra->Tamale->Accra(880km) co-bait with bill mcdill
First kill: (13Nov06)
Fake banks: [ eBay scamsite]
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"I believe that you would not want to hear more of a lawyer language and grammars" - Saint Patrick
"so for my lawyer I want to also seriously sit on the emails I have received" - Mrs. N1na M1lha
"If i don't see you guys today.I probably would starve and have no where to sleep as i cant access my account here while some are low on cash" - Jo3l Akum1ah |
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callum
Director of Press Relations
Joined: 29 May 2004
Posts: 3631
Location: On the run from the asylum and this seems like a good place to hide. Blend right in...
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Thu Mar 13, 2008 10:07 pm |
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I'm posting here just in case the mod comment in my sig becomes relevant.
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rootuser
Elite Baiter
Joined: 10 Dec 2007
Posts: 1632
Location: Right behind you
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Fri Mar 14, 2008 2:04 am |
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Picking up what US_Spook said.
Can they check the amount of the transfer or only if there is a transfer with that number? That goes for both, WU and MG.
I wouldn't mind to actually send them 0.50HKD (given there are no fees I have to pay, but I guess there are) just to make them run to WU to pick it up. |
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US_Spook
Master Baiter
Joined: 12 Mar 2008
Posts: 138
Location: Ghost in the Shell
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Fri Mar 14, 2008 4:18 am |
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There are fees. But I was willing to pay 9.99 for sending my 2cents.
Yeah I am dumb like that. But I am curious if they can call and check the amount...hmm, maybe I should just call? And check on my own MG... |
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rootuser
Elite Baiter
Joined: 10 Dec 2007
Posts: 1632
Location: Right behind you
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Fri Mar 14, 2008 4:23 am |
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Well, 10USD is a bit more than I'd be willing to invest for that. Anyway, I guess here the prices are different. At lunchtime I'll have a look to see how much it costs here.
But anyway, would be good to know first if they can check the amount.
Would be so great to see the lad's face when the WU-guy gives him 10 Naira (given it's a Nigerian lad), for stick to my example of 0.50HKD... |
_________________ "..., if it not the destiny has reduced us together, then who?"
"may u die tomorrow in jesus name"
"The devil has eaten away your soul as you will decay in the hail fire, so go and die with your dyning devil hopless devil advocate."
"This is what i sent to them am not with any money to go back to nigeria pls help."
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DrWho
Baiting Guru
Joined: 14 Jan 2004
Posts: 5486
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Fri Mar 14, 2008 4:27 am |
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This whole point was argued last year. If I can find the thread I'll post it.
Basically, although WU is a third party, they are in business to transfer money. the lad is sent there to collect money. Nothing else. It is the WU employee's job to provide the service the lad goes there for. So it isn't the same as sending a package to a hotel. It isn't their job to receive packages. It would be a third party involvement if you told the lad the WU service lady want to go out with him and he should ask her out. That would be an innocent involvement.
I read the other posts now and see that bearkat419 said the same thing. Sorry to be re-quoting him. It is an important concept to make clear. |
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justinv
Wannabe Baiter
Joined: 11 May 2007
Posts: 94
Location: Australia
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Fri Mar 14, 2008 4:33 am |
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Theres a sure fine way to eliminate 99% of the scams in Nigeria: Close down all WU and MG branches in the county. There are already companies that dont deal with any African countries because of the high volume of scamming activity so I think WU and MG should do the same.
Yes, its a sad fact but for the people in Nigeria who are legit they should just use direct bank deposit or payment by cheque or money order.
The fact is WU and MG should know better. They must get thousands of calls every day from angry victims and it must be having some effect on their intergrity.
I know they are only conduits, but they have the power to stop it in their tracks, because they would know what is going on. The fact is, they let it happen anyway because they ALSO make money from it. |
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Ima Baeder
Baiting Guru
Joined: 03 May 2007
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Fri Mar 14, 2008 4:34 am |
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rootuser and us_spook: You may want to rethink sending a legitimate MTCN to a lad. Yes, it would make you look like a more credible victim, but the lads could also recycle it while it's showing as a legitimate payment and send it off to victims to make themselves look more credible too. |
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rootuser
Elite Baiter
Joined: 10 Dec 2007
Posts: 1632
Location: Right behind you
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Fri Mar 14, 2008 5:15 am |
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Good point Ima. Thanks for this info. |
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"may u die tomorrow in jesus name"
"The devil has eaten away your soul as you will decay in the hail fire, so go and die with your dyning devil hopless devil advocate."
"This is what i sent to them am not with any money to go back to nigeria pls help."
(0.25 go to fake_buster)
x4 Wole A.: Akure, Nigeria to Cotonou, Benin, Akure, Nigeria to Tanguieta, Benin (both with Thomas-the-Tank and Simba), Akure, Nigeria to Kano, Nigeria (with TtT and OD), Akure, Nigeria to Abidjan, Cote d'Ivoire (with TtT)
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Tsnerd
Not quite a Newb
Joined: 14 Jul 2005
Posts: 41
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Fri Mar 14, 2008 6:19 am |
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@justinv-
Do you really believe what you posted? If so, I'd encourage you to read a bit more. |
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SlayerFaith
Baiting Guru
Joined: 03 Mar 2005
Posts: 5778
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Fri Mar 14, 2008 6:29 am |
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justinv wrote: |
Theres a sure fine way to eliminate 99% of the scams in Nigeria: Close down all WU and MG branches in the county. There are already companies that dont deal with any African countries because of the high volume of scamming activity so I think WU and MG should do the same. |
Good solution. Then the millions of people there who depend on support from relatives in other parts of the world can just starve, whilst the scammers move on to direct bank transfers (as many already have). |
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BobCat
Master of Master Baiters
Joined: 04 Mar 2005
Posts: 972
Location: on the 'net
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Fri Mar 14, 2008 9:54 pm |
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Or Paypal. Or scamming people by sending fake checks or using stolen credit cards, to buy something (without the "cash back" part)....
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Tommo Shanter
Baiting Guru
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Fri Mar 14, 2008 10:27 pm |
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Theres a sure fine way to eliminate 99% of the scams in Nigeria: Close down all WU and MG branches in the county. |
So, your master plan is to put hundreds of MG/WU employees out of work simply because they happen to be trying to earn an honest living in the most corrupt country in west Africa. Nice! I wonder what they are going to do then? |
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Tuco
Elite Baiter
Joined: 08 Aug 2007
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Fri Mar 14, 2008 11:33 pm |
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@US_Spook: Were you going to tell him what he can do with the 2 cents?
I know what I would tell him to do with one of them. |
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