Baiting character possibly commiting murder

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Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 1:22 am

I've told two of my lads today that in order to come up with the money we need,I intend to rob a drug dealer I know this weekend.I've also stated I may need to kill this ficticious dealer.This seems to have the lads upset.Obviously the don't want my character going to jail,as no money can be extracted from them there.Have I crossed an ethical line here?

Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 1:27 am

No - killing a fictional character is no problem.

Upsetting a Lad is recommended. Very Happy

Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 1:29 am

As long as you're not actually planning to rob or kill anyone, I don't see any lines to cross. There's nothing unethical about telling a lad you're going to do/have done something. If it's going to play on their conscience that they think someone's been killed because they were being thieving bastards, I wouldn't hesitate to tell them.

Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 1:40 am

Nope, you'll be okay with telling your lad that story. Please post his response. Cool

Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 1:56 am

Thanks-I thought that would be the case,but wanted to make certain.I've exchanged several e mails with one in the last hour-I'ts got to be 3 or 4 in the moring in Nigeria right now-this lad is worried.
Obviously my character will botch the job,and murder the dealer,but not get any money.Right now I'm trying to decide if he should be thrown in jail,go on the run,or get away.All three scenarios provide interesting possiblities.And to think this morning I was going to kill him off,because I couldn't think of new direction to go.Then I checked in here,and the creative jiuices stated flowing.My lads of course will be provided with all the gory details.

Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 2:04 am

Let's see...what has my baiting character done:

1. She went to S1mba Safari and, while waiting for her mugu lover to meet her there to pick up her bag o' money (to pay fees for the "consignment", of course), she got completely blitzed and ended up spending a night of wild sex with the camp manager.

2. While attempting to travel to her mugu lover's city to give him that bag o' cash, she met up with a lone traveling anthropologist, and had wild passionate sex with him (repeatedly) in his car, and then became his sex slave. The poor mugu was incensed - they were supposed to be ENGAGED after all!

3. Another character, during a hit-man bait, murdered her own son so she wouldnt have to keep paying for his cancer treatment. This way she would have the money to send to the lad, who was supposedly hired to kill her. He didn't seem to have a problem with the murder of the boy...although he was mighty peeved when the MTCN number turned to be wrong.

4. Yet another character offered to off her own sister so she and the lad could split the lotto money that her sister had won. (She ended up not having to do it, when sis got hit by a bus - or DID she now??? Wink

)

Hmmm...have I crossed any lines, ya think? Rolling Eyes

Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 2:23 am

Ah-I undertand fully I still have residual pangs of concience,such as one would have when dealing with a normal human being.I must get used to the fact,that I am in no physical way,harming these individuals.Any mental harm is of their own accord.Still,are new,just want to make certain of the limits.
That being said,these assholes just tore off more than they can chew.I look forard to the chalenge.

Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 3:59 am

I've killed off several fictional characters.
Sometimes the Lads just drop me.
Sometimes they panic because they never imagined they could be connected to a real violent crime.
Sometimes they panic because they are afraid they are going to lose a potential victim.

It's always good to seek advice from the community as you have done, but in general I would say, unless there is potential for involving a real innocent third party, anything you can do to mess with a Lad's mind is fair game.

Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 4:13 am

In one bait I have destroyed a whole town.
Over the progress the lad got more and more concerned with my mental stability.
In the end his dollar was chopped and I killed the chopper.

No problem. Whatever you can do to confuse the lads, JUST DO IT!

Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 5:41 am

Doc, you should know, "All guns Blazing"! (TM).

Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 5:42 am

oh and a couple of years ago, during a mass bait, a plane crash killed about a dozen baiter characters. We ultimately found out that "he who shall not be named" was responsible.

Not quite a Newb Joined: 27 Feb 2006 Posts: 38

Cachuma,
You forgot #5: Assaulted a hair brush.......... Very Happy

Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 5:44 am

In many of my baits I kill someone, either accidentally or on purpose.
I always ask the lad for his advice on disposing of the body! Twisted Evil

Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 5:58 am

^^^

@Doc - there is no need to have any feelings of guilt or residual pangs of conscience. Why do I say that?

Ask yourself these questions:

Do the scammers have any feelings of guilt when they scam their victims? Do they feel any guilt when they take the life savings of an elderly couple rendering them broke and homeless? Do they even care who they hurt?

The answer is no, not at all.

In one of my baits I told the lad that my 14-year-old daughter had cancer and I needed the money that I was going to send to him to pay for her treatment so that she wouldn't die. He replied that I needed to send the money to him and find another way to pay for her treatment.

That is inhuman IMO, and these are not the normal human beings that you are having guilty feelings about.

Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 6:20 am

You should kill the dealer(give him the gory details), and then for some reason or another, flee the country(wherever you are), and since you are leaving anyway, just hop on down to meet up with your scammer in person. Make sure you tell him not to worry though, cause you think he's cool.

Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 11:15 am

Tell him you killed the b*gger and whilst burying him the WU receipt must have dropped out of your top pocket and fallen in the grave without you noticing. Luckily, the grave was too shallow and his bare arse was left sticking above ground. So you have no problem finding him again and as an added bonus have somewhere to park your bike whilst you dig him up to retrieve the thing. Shocked

Sadly the receipt has rotted in the meantime and the last two digits are missing, but you think they were ......

Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 2:40 pm

I killed off a character following a failed drug shipment. Contacted the lad again from another address, claiming to be investigating the murder. Little scrote offered to sell me information regarding the killing if I WU'd him a fee... Shocked

Baiting Guru Joined: 04 Dec 2005 Posts: 3551

I killed a character off and the lad later came back to me asking for work.

Baiting Guru Joined: 03 May 2007 Posts: 18313

My "fiance" told me that he had a new woman where he was in the UK. I begged him to get rid of her. I meant break up with her, but he replied that he didn't think it was necessary to kill her, but that he did "know people". Shocked

You certainly haven't crossed any lines with your bait here. It's fun to throw moral dilemmas into the the story and see how the lads respond. (They often show no moral compass, which just serves to harden our resolve to make their lives difficult).

Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 11:45 pm

Go on the run, and then tell your lad that you want to meet him in person. Of course, the police in his country have been alerted by Interpol, but if he'd just cross one small border...

Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 12:14 am

once told a Lad that he (Malcolm) had shot dead a Somali militiaman in cold blood. It was the final letter in the bait, so I don't know how the Lad took it.

Eliza Dane told one Lad that to raise the money needed she was ready to sell herself to someone wanting to re-enact a porn scene. Tha Lad's first reaction was -

Quote:

I WILL NOT ADVISE YOU TO TRY SUCH

- but when she told him she'd gone ahead and got the money, he didn't seem to care:

Quote:

I am just back from my Village [at the start he he said he lived in London] and i am just checking my mail box now and receive all your messages.
i will be giving you the 50% as you demanded but let be very zeal and fast with whatsoever we are doing now because i don't want this opportunity to pass us over.
If you have been able to pay the attorney, then i will advise you to contact him to demand for his payment informations, i will be waiting to hear from you today because i am being worried of how all things are going with us in this transaction.
So, please contact the attorney again and let him know that you will be sending him the payment.

Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 2:47 am

After a day or so after the 'murder' why don't you contact your lad as a police/FBI/CIA officer. Apparently, your original character (who hasn't realised it yet) dropped his address book in his haste to leave the murder scene.

I'm sure your imagination can work out the rest.............

Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 5:58 am

I killed my main character (it was an "accident"), then his killer took over the scam, finally the character came back, he had been kidnapped, and double worked my lad into a lather. Old story, one of my favorites:
http://forum.419eater.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=33938&highlight=

Wish I had time these days...

Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 6:13 am

Was it my fault that I used too much of the knock out drops? How was I to know that the old geezer's heart would not take it when I mixed up the Viagra in his chicken pot pie? Read my last signature line.
Laughing

Just for the record, I am not a DRUNCARD.

Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 11:06 am

I kill people all the time in my baits. Usually it is my P.A. , Ken, who chops the lad's dollar by pretending to send the money but keeping it to himself. Ken has been killed many times now in various grusomely explicit ways.

Most lads have no problem with this but one lad, I can't remember his name it was a while back, got quite upset and told me I should go and talk to a priest. Unfortunately I ended up killing the priest as well after confessing to him. Lost the lad.

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