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wayne
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Thu Dec 20, 2007 12:03 pm |
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Following on from a discussion with another baiter on YIM, here's an interesting question. How far ahead do you plan your baits? Do you know from that first email exactly how the bait's going to play out, or - like me - do you prefer the playing it by ear, never planning further ahead than the next line you're going to say to your lad in IM 10 seconds from now method? |
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Mr Fishe
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Thu Dec 20, 2007 12:15 pm |
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Interesting question, wayne. I remember someone posting here how they have all their emails planned well in advance. I found that pretty surprising, simply because it had never occurred to me to plot things out like that. I just jump on the lad bus and see where it takes me. |
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Mugatu
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Thu Dec 20, 2007 12:19 pm |
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In the military they have a saying: No plan survives first contact with the enemy!
I'm like you, I take each email as it comes. I think you're more flexible that way, and lets' face it, emails leave lots of thinking time.
The only thing I try to plan is phone calls... I have the details of other people's baits printed off and I go through them with a highlighter pen, circling the most salient points. That way I have a little checklist in front of me that helps when a lad (invariably) starts to ask questions about a character.
I still get thrown though when a lad I've not spoken to in 6 weeks all of a sudden rings me out of the blue!
I don't know how you do the IM thing, it wouldn't suit me. I'm not as good as some at thinking on my feet. |
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redshoes17
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Thu Dec 20, 2007 12:26 pm |
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Wayne,
I mostly do the 10 second method you refer to. I never know from the first email where it is going to go. After I start to get into the bait I start thinking of ways I can take it but that often doesn't pan out in IM. So I let the lad do the work and use what he says against him. |
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Simba
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Thu Dec 20, 2007 12:27 pm |
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I actually go looking for a suitable lad when I am planning a safari.
For example, at the moment I am targeting Senegal lads, because I have a Gambia safari mapped out in my mind.
So I do actually plan the safari long before I have even made contact with any lads, then I can make my story as plausible as possible, and hopefully lead the bait to where I want it to go.
Of course I do most of my baiting through either MSN or YIM, so it makes sense to have a clear plan of action in my mind because there is no time to consider how I could respond, as there is using Email. |
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Slightlyoutofit
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Thu Dec 20, 2007 12:30 pm |
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I plan the bait and then look for the lad. |
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HitchHiker
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Thu Dec 20, 2007 12:52 pm |
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Spur of the moment me. I get an email that I think looks good, and away I go. My only plan is to waste as much of his time as possible. I have started a couple of "church" baits with a plan in mind, but so far, they haven't worked out they way I planned, so I just adapted them to be time wasters and to see how they pan out.
Which reminds me, I must revive a lapsing bait as I have just had an idea. |
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GomerPyle
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Thu Dec 20, 2007 2:12 pm |
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There isn't a 'special' way or one that works better than another. It's what suits you.
I mass bait Lotto Lads and use template replies to all takers. I have nothing specific planned at the outset, though I have some tried and tested tortures, but once selected and found to be successful I use it on all takers. That way I can drop ones who won't play, and retain the most interesting and fun ones.
I don't want to lose my bait through going too far, but this way I will always have some to play with and I don't feel the need to pander to their demands. |
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wayne
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Thu Dec 20, 2007 3:01 pm |
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I've added a poll now. I think it'll be interesting to see how it goes. |
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justicebdone
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Thu Dec 20, 2007 3:08 pm |
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Mugatu's
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In the military they have a saying: No plan survives first contact with the enemy! |
nails it right on the head for me.
I am in the process of becoming muscle for our annoyed check lad. There was no way I could have planned on being hired to rough up people who steal the company checks. On the fly, keeps my mind sharp and clear. |
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419weasel
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Thu Dec 20, 2007 3:16 pm |
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Ima Baeder
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Thu Dec 20, 2007 3:21 pm |
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I guess I'm more on the "wing it" side, because I don't necessarily plan out the whole bait. Sometimes I plan out a few steps ahead if I get a good idea, but often I just wing it. For instance, yesterday I had a bad afternoon at work so I came home and had a character bitch out a lad. Repeatedly.
Often the bait takes turns that present opportunities you couldn't forsee. |
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bunnyrabbit
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Thu Dec 20, 2007 3:37 pm |
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I voted "wing it" but I usually have a general plan outlined in my mind. |
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bearkat419
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Thu Dec 20, 2007 3:42 pm |
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I just wing it. But maybe that's why my baits don't tend to be very long |
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Thu Dec 20, 2007 4:06 pm |
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The only thing I plan/arrange is the character, the bait goes along with how I feel the characters persona would respond, |
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Simba
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Thu Dec 20, 2007 4:12 pm |
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Blimey I am in a minority of one....
Oh c'mon someone join my team... |
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Frozboz
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Thu Dec 20, 2007 6:12 pm |
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^^^ Ok Simba.. I voted "wing it", since that's usually what I do - however, recently on art baits, I have been working with a script of 25-30 responses. You can call it planned out, I guess. But usually in day to day baiting Mr. deFr4wg just replies with nonsense and question after question. |
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FrumpyBB
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Thu Dec 20, 2007 6:18 pm |
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I don�t know what to say in the poll...usually I plan what to ask and what to send the following week, but things always go slower (recently) or damn much quicker (some weeks ago) as planned. Usually I have a plan in mind how to introduce the need for the next pile of forms taken out off WIndypop�s inexhaustible collection...but it almost never works as planned. I need a story cause all my characters are made up. Certain questions apply to certain characters only.
I am still thinking of baiting as if writing a stage play, which in my case means more writing a new soap opera daily episode, because the characters are all set, the script has one general plan but the actors are very very often too damn moody to play along asking for advance salary, for special hairdressers etc etc etc oh dear, I love this!!
With mixed feelings, I have just ticked "plan it". |
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Tsnerd
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Thu Dec 20, 2007 6:22 pm |
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Sorry, Simba.
I just make it up as I go. |
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Tommo Shanter
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Thu Dec 20, 2007 6:43 pm |
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I wing it as well. |
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Thu Dec 20, 2007 7:16 pm |
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perhaps another choice, for , A plan, with the ability to alter it as the bait progresses
fumpy wrote
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I am still thinking of baiting as if writing a stage play, which in my case means more writing a new soap opera daily episode, because the characters are all set, the script has one general plan but the actors are very very often too damn moody to play along asking for advance salary, for special hairdressers |
That is how I do it, I have an idea with my character, I build my characters persona up, get the background set, the facts, the physical effects, (pics etc) then play the bait as that character would be
The love bait corona and I are running at the moment is like that, I had the characters persona set up, before I contacted the love lad, I knew where I was going, he didn't, it led to a probably not going to happen safari, but it has wasted his time a considerable amount |
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jojobean
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Thu Dec 20, 2007 7:48 pm |
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I plan some baits out really well. YW, BW and I have done a couple that have taken weeks, maybe months of planning. The larger baits really take some planning. Typically, we will have scripts written out for the first 5 emails or so. The bigger baits like that take lots of planning.
Many of the smaller ones that I have run have just been winged. |
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Thu Dec 20, 2007 8:01 pm |
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And what the Lads won't accept, is that all of the above we do without payment
That is what makes it even better for me, that they have no social, community, individual sense of honesty, responsibility
I'll rip them off, annoy them, try to get them to love me, go for safari, just for the fun of it
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YeaWhatever
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Thu Dec 20, 2007 8:03 pm |
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Sort of what jojo said. It depends on the bait. If it's just one of those lets-play-with-a-lad-today baits, I wing it. But if it is a safari that I am after, I (and often other accomplices such as Jojo and Big Worm) plan things out in pretty good detail first. |
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wayne
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Thu Dec 20, 2007 8:09 pm |
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Planning could be just 2 or 3 emails in advance. Like I say, when I bait I have no idea at all what I'm going to do, sometimes until I'm typing it. The closest I get to planning is bringing an idea in I discussed with another baiter maybe a few days ago. An "I tell you what would be funny....." kind of thing. |
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