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lotta
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Tue Nov 20, 2007 9:34 pm |
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I agree that it was probably not his initial intention.
There are many types of trolls:
Concern Troll:
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A concern troll is a pseudonym created by a user whose point of view is opposed to the one that the user's sockpuppet claims to hold. The concern troll posts in web forums devoted to its declared point of view and attempts to sway the group's actions or opinions while claiming to share their goals, but with professed "concerns". The goal is to sow fear, uncertainty and doubt within the group.
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Frederick Fokker:
"I am giving you about a month to get your act together, i am cutting you and the eater a bit of slack"
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bombardier
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Tue Nov 20, 2007 9:36 pm |
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Troll
To deliberately post false or controversial messages to gain attention for the sake of attention, usually from people who genuinely want to help. The act of posting false messages is called trolling. |
Also the Eater relies on trust amongst the members, if common bullshit was acceptable i would have 15 arrests, 23000 bank kills and a pink pony in my siggy.
Edit: Oh crap, i asked for that |
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persephone
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Tue Nov 20, 2007 9:38 pm |
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Just my two cents, a little while ago I PMed FF and informed him I declined being his mentor, since I sincerely believed he was more interested in creating drama than baits. And that was putting it nicely. I think that it is better to spend time on mentoring those that are actually interested in baiting.
I had the 'pleasure' to spend quite a bit of time with him and I have often thought he was trolling. He never crossed the line in a way that he could be banned, but he knew exactly which buttons to push to annoy the community. |
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lotta
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Tue Nov 20, 2007 9:39 pm |
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bombardier wrote: |
Also the Eater relies on trust amongst the members, if common bullshit was acceptable i would have 15 arrests, 23000 bank kills and a pink pony in my siggy. |
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Alan James Watson (AKA Bi Gal, AKA Big Al, AKA De Master Yoda) -2007, 2008, 2009, 2010 "Doos of the year" award winner
Frederick Fokker:
"I am giving you about a month to get your act together, i am cutting you and the eater a bit of slack"
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luckey
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Tue Nov 20, 2007 9:41 pm |
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Can you be a troll "by reason of insanity"?
Edit: Persephone's post counts for a lot in my book. Not that I really care what he ends up being labeled. |
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bombardier
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Tue Nov 20, 2007 9:42 pm |
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LaBrea
Elite Baiter
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Tue Nov 20, 2007 9:58 pm |
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Lotta, Bombadier, Persephone: you raised some good points about the definition of the word.
I think this may quickly be reduced to semantics..........
My kind of trolling: 30' Center console charter boat looking for tarpon
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irishemigrant
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Tue Nov 20, 2007 10:07 pm |
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Did someone mention sea fishing??????????????????????????????
Book me on it !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Way to go !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
tarpon!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Blue fin tuna!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
broad bill!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'm in love, marry me labrea, I'll be your bitch for life
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wayne
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Tue Nov 20, 2007 10:13 pm |
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I don't know if it can be done, but I spent some time chatting with FF in the Skype chatroom once, and had him contradicting himself and constantly rewriting his story the whole time. Maybe someone knows how to post it up, cos I have no idea. In all honesty, after that encounter, I take everything he says with a pinch of salt at the least, as complete bullshit as standard. |
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Nanny Ogg
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Tue Nov 20, 2007 10:31 pm |
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@ La Brea
Funny trolling made me think of fishing too.
But for trout in one of the local lochs. |
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LaBrea
Elite Baiter
Joined: 04 Aug 2007
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Location: Yet another hotel
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Tue Nov 20, 2007 10:49 pm |
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@Irish: for your enjoyment;
http://www.billfish-tournament.com/dock.php
I've been out there a few times (but not during the tournament), Marlin Blvd is aptly named!
Re: your proposal- you'd fit right in, I already grovel way too much! |
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irishemigrant
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Tue Nov 20, 2007 10:53 pm |
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ok, I'm not defending, nor accusing, I was on messenger with FF this afternoon, he broke our conv for a short time, then started posting this
fred says: Well I know youre not a baiter, youre a lad, an educated one but still a lad. Yes I do think youre educated, so my question is why do you do it?
Jonh says: My friend, the obvious reason is: for the money. Why else? For sport? Making a living in Nigeria is a tough business.
fred says: What about the victims? No thought for them? Y
fred Your making a living thing Sort of destroys lives.
Jonh says: What victims? There are Victims everywhere if you just care to look, do You think that were not victims as well? Take a look at what the West Has done to my country .
Jonh says: My country was already corrupt then the Europeans came and taught Us new ways o
fred of being even more corrupt, the Oil corps come here and Make it even worse, so what are going to suggest, that I take a job? Were? Here? Grow up will you.
fred says: So youre saying that WE are to blame that youre doing what youre doing?
Jonh says: In a way, yes. But I chose to do it, and in that sense it was my own Undoing.
Jonh says: I cannot truly say that I enjoy it, if it is a company , then yes, I enjoy it, But not when it is your average Joe, but such is the nature of the Business we are discussing.
fred says: Is that your answer? Are you saying yes?
Jonh says: Why not, I have not had such a jolly good talk in years.
fred says: Where did you study? And what?
Jonh says: In the UK, IT engineering.
Jonh says: Are you a law enforcement officer? Or a baiter?
fred says: Baiter. How many people have you got working for you?
Jonh says: 23. which forums do you belong to?
fred says: Just one, 419eater. What is your monthly gross?
Jonh says: It rather depends, last month 120.000$ US . Are you Shiver? fred says: No, I�m not Shiver, how do you know Shiver??? Do you Know the 419eater?
Jonh says: Yes I know the 419eater, and that is more then one Question.
I'm not going to accuse anyone of anything, FF has never done me harm, he knows of places I've been, we talk about stuff not related to scamming, if some of his posts have been over the top, ok, you have the choice, if you ignore them they die, if you reply, then it becomes a troll thread, feeding on itself.
and we are all guilty of that at some stage, someone can find our buttons and before we know it, we have flamed or insulted the OP, so it feeds on itself as we all man the barricades, choose sides, and lose all rational thought and sight of our main goal.
There's always going to be a little bit of Walter Mitty in all of us, we play roles that in real life, we probably aren't like at all,
It's hard at times to tell when reality and life on here cross over.
Give FF the credit for what he actually did when he did get involved with mass baits, he may actually have been in touch with a level of oga above what most of us never see,
ok, putting the sandbags out, and crouching down |
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The Man
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Tue Nov 20, 2007 11:06 pm |
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Irish:
The thing I find interesting about that "chat" is there are absolutely NO apostrophes by either party. The lad, claiming to be an IT person and UK educated. If he were he'd want to, and have the ability to get "Out of Africa". If he wanted to stay it would be to better his country and he would be in politics or something of the sort.
I am glad to see that FF was not banned and he asked to have his account closed. I don't make any comments about him personally, but that chat is just pure made up.
Whatever good he might have done here is blemished by the fact he out right lied in that post. There was no reason for it, he gains nothing by it. If he did not like the community here he was free to leave. Nothing is forcing him to continue to log into eater and read/post. No reason to try to get all huffy about it and make this place out to be some kind of grand conspiracy.
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YOU ARE A CHILD OF SATAN WITH YOUR HUNGRY DIRTY BODY ,TUNDER FIRE YOU BIG HEAD IDIOT !!! HA HA HA HA HA
IS THIS HOW YOU DECIDED TO TREAT US AFTER ALL WE WENT THROUGH?YOU MADE US TRAVELLED TO ABUJA AND INDEBTED US.
"Cursed is your mother that gave birth to a family-disgrace like you. Cursed is your father he could not control his lust for anything under skate"
"hey u crakhead motherf*cking nitwit, from the way u express the cockamamy sh*t that ur dumb brain is made up of it's so obvious that u never really made it past elementary school but anywayz dogs don't have to go to school afterall."
(Lagos to Abuja)
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Mugatu
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Tue Nov 20, 2007 11:15 pm |
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persephone wrote: |
Just my two cents, a little while ago I PMed FF and informed him I declined being his mentor, since I sincerely believed he was more interested in creating drama than baits. And that was putting it nicely. I think that it is better to spend time on mentoring those that are actually interested in baiting.
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Excellent post Pers, it took some diplomacy to do that. I've only had time to dip in and out of this thread but it seems you judged FF quickly and correctly.
Good radar. |
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lotta
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Tue Nov 20, 2007 11:16 pm |
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Like The Man's said.....that is a conversation created by FF. |
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Frederick Fokker:
"I am giving you about a month to get your act together, i am cutting you and the eater a bit of slack"
Dec 11, 2007
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Akai Ryu
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Tue Nov 20, 2007 11:22 pm |
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^ And as he also mentioned, it bears NO resemblance to what FF posted in the OP. I call bullshit--but that seems to be the consensus. |
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irishemigrant
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Tue Nov 20, 2007 11:24 pm |
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fair play to you *the Man,* I posted so that those that missed it can make up their own minds. I'm still talking to FF, well, I was till he finds out I've posted the mesage above probably.
As I said, he's not done me any harm, I got a laugh out of most of his threads, they were usually so over the top you would have had to be totally without a sense of humour to bitch about them
It's all a bit Monty Python at times, how far can you stretch credubility?
FF stretched it in here, ok, he should have been doing it with his mugus,
but maybe he was as well
I don't know, all I can go by is that he never did me harm, he gave me a lot of laughs, fair play to the man for being whoever he is |
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The Man
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Tue Nov 20, 2007 11:29 pm |
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Irish:
I am not really sure what your post means....
I have no personal opinion of FF. Yes, I probably disagreed with him on ethics, but that does not mean I think the guy should not be posting here or anything.
But when you are a member of a community, be it here, be it at work, be it with real life friends, the thing you don't do to them is lie to them. If that transcript you posted is what was in the OP before FF edited it, then he is out right lying to us. Lying to a lad is one thing, but to others that are supposed to be your "mates" does not fly with me.
Additionally editing the OP after taking heat for it is bad form as well, unless you are editing to clean up spelling or something like that and make it clear that is all you did.
As for your continuing to talk to him, I could care less. I for one am glad he is gone, not because of the views he held, not because of how over the top he expressed those views, but because he flat out lied to us. |
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YOU ARE A CHILD OF SATAN WITH YOUR HUNGRY DIRTY BODY ,TUNDER FIRE YOU BIG HEAD IDIOT !!! HA HA HA HA HA
IS THIS HOW YOU DECIDED TO TREAT US AFTER ALL WE WENT THROUGH?YOU MADE US TRAVELLED TO ABUJA AND INDEBTED US.
"Cursed is your mother that gave birth to a family-disgrace like you. Cursed is your father he could not control his lust for anything under skate"
"hey u crakhead motherf*cking nitwit, from the way u express the cockamamy sh*t that ur dumb brain is made up of it's so obvious that u never really made it past elementary school but anywayz dogs don't have to go to school afterall."
(Lagos to Abuja)
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kleindoofy
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Tue Nov 20, 2007 11:33 pm |
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You'll all find the solution here. |
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Mugatu
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Tue Nov 20, 2007 11:33 pm |
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Does this happen often do we think? I don't mean the whole overblown FF saga, but people being dishonest to make themselves appear more "accepted"?
The reason I ask is that my radar lit up some months back when a member (who I'll not name) started getting flags, phones, and all other sorts of flashy trinkets in his sig within 2 weeks of signing up. And I mean dozens. He dissapeared within a few weeks, then returned some months later for a week or so. Not exactly a stayer. He never really rang true and seemed to be here purely for the boasting.
On the other hand, I'm in close touch with another few members who are clearly damn good, hard working baiters, and who have no siggy icons whatsoever.
Maybe some of us (I'm including myself) learn slower than others. That's one possibility.
Another is that some people join and falsify bank kills, safaris, IM chats with ogas etc, to feel accepted as part of a group.
Thoughts? Similarities with FF? |
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kleindoofy
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Mugatu wrote: |
... people being dishonest to make themselves appear more "accepted"? ... |
I think you just defined California and/or plastic surgery - (which are often viewed as being synonymous). |
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Doctor X
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Tue Nov 20, 2007 11:43 pm |
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"Troll" has become over-used throughout Al Gore's Interwebs. It originally referred to "trolling for fish," but the obvious homonym to a goat-worrying creature that lives under bridges made it something else.
Originally, a troll was sending out nets for attention--any attention. An intentional troll is one who just wants a particular form of attention. Overtime there arose variations on the theme: trolls who have a specific purpose such as looking for sympathy, or to irritate as many posters as possible. On various boards I have seen:
1. A poster pretending to be a woman dying of cancer to gain sympathy and play on posters emotions.
2. A poster pretending to be a pedophile wanting to discuss the "societies" problem.
3. Various pretend-Nazis, fundis, country-western music fans, and other unpopular supporters.
4. An old man claiming to be married and then trying--with his wife sockpuppet--get "interest" with male and female posters--
Obviously it is much easier to gain negative attention than positive attention. The goal is the ability to tell others how you pissed a board off.
This individual wanted something different: the regard and respect he did not earn. Established baiters are intimidating: they have all of the fun stories, even Mods are nice to them. In arguments and discussions, their words carry greater weight for obvious reasons. This is the way respect works: it is earned through accomplishments.
There is a wonderful Japanese proverb that basically states he was trying to wear someone greater's underwear! To me, that is different than the Classical Troll [Tm.--Ed.] who just wants attention.
His mistakes were embarrassing for even a newbie. To me, he would be like someone who knows nothing about fly fishing trying to lecture people on a dedicated fly fishing board. He has seen it on television, maybe read an article, but he rarely, if ever, fished. So he tries to make suggestions that seem reasonable unless you actually fly fish!
Then he became upset and rather than just clam up, read, learn, he decided to "up the ante" with increasingly wild claims. He expected attention when he left two or three times which is why he is reading as a guest.
Is that a "Troll?" I think that is different, but a "stink weed by any other name would smell as reak."
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lotta
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Tue Nov 20, 2007 11:44 pm |
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kleindoofy wrote: |
I think you just defined California |
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Alan James Watson (AKA Bi Gal, AKA Big Al, AKA De Master Yoda) -2007, 2008, 2009, 2010 "Doos of the year" award winner
Frederick Fokker:
"I am giving you about a month to get your act together, i am cutting you and the eater a bit of slack"
Dec 11, 2007
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Ghost
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Tue Nov 20, 2007 11:49 pm |
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Oh lotta I forgot we are neighbors
@ The Man
What Irish has is pretty much what the OP originally posted. There was a bit more at the bottom. It was posted in two separate quotes and I think that is the first half.
If I remember correctly it ended with the �oga� indicating the they will meet again at 8 gmail time and that the OP new the addie. The oga use the term �addie�. That much I remember for sure.
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irishemigrant
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Tue Nov 20, 2007 11:52 pm |
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@KD, love it, so true
@The Man, I posted what he sent me, it was more than he posted, there may have been more, but work intervened and I never saw the start or end
@ Mugatu, I take people as they are, ok FF suddenly appeared here, was posting in every thread he could find, and starting threads that did annoy me because they were so off what eater is about,
I thought he was slowly settling down and going with the flow, but ok
I'm not going to castigate anyone for being who they are, you accept people for being people,
In some ways I'm sad that FF left, you didn't have to add to his threads, but they were a welcome diversion from life as we know it |
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